SP Pitching questions
Need help on some pitching questions for ASA SP no stealing (This was men's but could apply to womens or co-ed too):
Pitcher starts to deliver to plate, but doesn't deliver the ball - like a fake Is this an illegal pitch, no pitch, or nothing? Does it matter if he steps off the pitcher's plate and comes back to restart? I am having trouble calling low, below 6 feet, pitches illegal before they reach the plate - any suggestions? If a pitch is illegal and I don't call it fast enough the batter may swing. If I don't say it fast enough can I still call the pitch illegal and is there any recourse if the batter swings because I am late? I don't know why I am having so many problems with this this year. |
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It is hard to get the entire call out, but any sound from the umpire should be an indication to the batter not to swing. Of course, many of these guy's eyes get so big when they see the flat pitch, they're swinging anyway. You WILL have players telling you to call it sooner, but you may want to ask them how you are going to read the pitcher's mind to know before the ball is released that the pitch is going to be illegal. ;) |
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Thanks guys -
I think some of these guys play 16" or USSSA and forget you can't fake in ASA 12", but I did have one guy just say that he was losing his grip on the ball so he stopped. One more question on this, If the pitcher does a fake, should I call time and make him restart the delivery or just call illegal pitch and let the batter decide if he wants to swing at the pitch? Its the ones that only get to just under 6 ft that are hard to call for me because I have to wait until it gets about 1/2 way to the plate to see if it going to get high enough. Then by the time I say illegal the batter is already swinging, this is especially bad if there are already 2 strikes. I'll just work on seeing the pitch and trying to be quicker with the call. And thank Mike for giving me something of a comeback if they give me a hard time. :) |
[QUOTE=tzme415]Thanks guys -
I think some of these guys play 16" or USSSA and forget you can't fake in ASA 12", but I did have one guy just say that he was losing his grip on the ball so he stopped. One more question on this, If the pitcher does a fake, should I call time and make him restart the delivery or just call illegal pitch and let the batter decide if he wants to swing at the pitch?[quote] No, if the pitcher literally stops, as opposed to hesitating, kill it and award a ball. Quote:
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When I do ASA Slowpitch I use myself as a judge. I'm 5'11 If the ball doesn't go above my head or a tad bit above my eye level, I've got an Delayed dead ball signal and a verbal "illegal".
If F1 tries the studder pitch that USSSA allows then usually when you call "illegal" and the DDB signal goes out the pitcher usually stops. |
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I've always found that more players complain about pitches being too low rather than too high. |
[QUOTE=IRISHMAFIA][QUOTE=tzme415]Thanks guys -
I think some of these guys play 16" or USSSA and forget you can't fake in ASA 12", but I did have one guy just say that he was losing his grip on the ball so he stopped. One more question on this, If the pitcher does a fake, should I call time and make him restart the delivery or just call illegal pitch and let the batter decide if he wants to swing at the pitch?[quote] No, if the pitcher literally stops, as opposed to hesitating, kill it and award a ball. ____ Hmmm, killing it. I believe you hold that arm out until after the delivery. The batter has the option of taking the ball or swinging. |
No, Joe.. if he stops, he's completed THAT delivery, and the IP is immediate. You don't wait for him to reinitiate a new delivery.
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We are talking about a pitch that is NOT delivered. There is no ball for the batter to possibly hit. An IP is enforced when the play is over. There is no pitch coming. The play is over. The umpire calls time and applies the penalty for the IP as that cannot be done during a live ball. |
I don't ever recall a pitcher who started their delivery, did something for an IP and then step off the plate. So, as along as he is on the plate, I should consider this as a continuation of the delivery/pitch. Only when he steps off do I say the play is complete, award a ball, and start over. IF IP is called, DDB, and no release to the batter and the batter swings at that moment, then I have a strike. If this is correct- what an easy game.
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Got it.
Guess I was reading too much into it.
An IP not delived will be called a ball. Any action by the batter is nullified, like swinging. Continue, play on. |
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If the pitcher doesn't release the ball, at what would the batter be swinging?:D |
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