kicked ball to DBT

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

8-14-d

8-14-d would appear to be the most applicable rule, HOWEVER, how do you explain that under 8-14-d=3, the R1, who was on second base, does not advance a base because she is not forced to advance.

8-14-d-3 If forced from the base occupied by a following runner who must advance because a batter receives a fourth ball, is hit by a pitched ball
or hits a fair ball which becomes dead.

Looking farther, it appears as this would be a 1 base award from the pitch, as 8-15-A-1 states the award shall be from the time of the pitch:

"If any pitch (batted or unbatted) is followed by a dead ball before the
pitcher is in the 16-foot circle for the next pitch and before there is
any throw by the fielding team."

Kicking the ball out of play is not a throw by the defensive team.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

8-14-d would appear to be the most applicable rule, HOWEVER, how do you explain that under 8-14-d=3, the R1, who was on second base, does not advance a base because she is not forced to advance.

8-14-d-3 If forced from the base occupied by a following runner who must advance because a batter receives a fourth ball, is hit by a pitched ball
or hits a fair ball which becomes dead.

Looking farther, it appears as this would be a 1 base award from the pitch, as 8-15-A-1 states the award shall be from the time of the pitch:

"If any pitch (batted or unbatted) is followed by a dead ball before the
pitcher is in the 16-foot circle for the next pitch and before there is
any throw by the fielding team."

Kicking the ball out of play is not a throw by the defensive team.

The specifics are different.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

The specifics are different.

Are they? Given that nothing else in the USSSA rules seems to apply this rule does seem to the be best rule for the situation, as it was a batted ball which was fair and become dead.

(I'm not saying this is the way it should be ruled, just saying the way the rules are written this does appear to be the most applicable rule when nothing is specific in the rules about the situation. As stated above, this should be considered a deflected batted ball going out of play, a thrown ball going out of play which should be a two base award, not a 1 base award).

The complicating factors are that the ball was never possessed or thrown by the defense. This is something not covered in the USSSA rules, but is covered in every other code as far as I can tell.