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[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by teebob21

*Not applicable in all states.

True, but I did say they were notes I used. Hopefully, he know his State.
And I have to say regardless of State in our classes because we cover 2 States and multiple conferences/leagues. I edited the list.

Thanks for the follow-up and any others are welcome.

[Tru_in_Blu]

discussion about a defensive player making a catch while standing on a fence that had fallen over

For the exact same play:

· NFHS is NOT a catch;

· USA Softball IS a catch.

NFHS

2-9, ART. 4 . . . For a legal catch, a fielder must catch and have secure possession of the ball before stepping, touching or falling into a dead-ball area. A fielder who falls over or through the fence after making a catch shall be credited with the catch. A fielder who catches a ball while contacting or stepping on a collapsible fence, which is not completely horizontal, is credited with a catch.

Case Play

2.9.4 SITUATION:

B1 hits a fly ball toward the left field fence. F7 places a foot on the temporary fence while making the catch.

RULING: Legal. As long as the fence is not completely horizontal, a legal catch can be made.

USA Softball

Rule Supplement #20

FALLING OVER THE FENCE ON A CATCH.

The fence is an extension of the playing field, which makes it legal for a player to climb the fence and make the catch. When a player catches the ball in the air and their momentum carries them through or over the fence, the catch is legal, the batter-runner is out, the ball is dead, and with fewer than two outs all runners are advanced one base without liability to be put out. Guidelines are as follows:

A. When a player catches the ball before they touch the ground outside the playing area, the catch is legal, or

B. When a player catches the ball after they touch the ground outside the playing area, it is not a catch. When a collapsible, portable fence is used and a defensive player is standing on the fence when the catch is made it is a legal catch. A defensive player may climb a fence to make a legal catch; therefore a defensive player may also stand on a fence that has fallen or is falling to the ground. As long as the defensive player has not stepped outside the playing area, the other side of the fence, the catch is legal.


For my personal way of trying to remember this moving forward, I’ll try to think that USA Softball allows for the Upper boundary of the fence, even if it falls back and the defender is standing on it.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

discussion about a defensive player making a catch while standing on a fence that had fallen over

For the exact same play:

· NFHS is NOT a catch;

· USA Softball IS a catch.

NFHS

2-9, ART. 4 . . . For a legal catch, a fielder must catch and have secure possession of the ball before stepping, touching or falling into a dead-ball area. A fielder who falls over or through the fence after making a catch shall be credited with the catch. A fielder who catches a ball while contacting or stepping on a collapsible fence, which is not completely horizontal, is credited with a catch.

Case Play

2.9.4 SITUATION:

B1 hits a fly ball toward the left field fence. F7 places a foot on the temporary fence while making the catch.

RULING: Legal. As long as the fence is not completely horizontal, a legal catch can be made.

USA Softball

Rule Supplement #20

FALLING OVER THE FENCE ON A CATCH.

The fence is an extension of the playing field, which makes it legal for a player to climb the fence and make the catch. When a player catches the ball in the air and their momentum carries them through or over the fence, the catch is legal, the batter-runner is out, the ball is dead, and with fewer than two outs all runners are advanced one base without liability to be put out. Guidelines are as follows:

A. When a player catches the ball before they touch the ground outside the playing area, the catch is legal, or

B. When a player catches the ball after they touch the ground outside the playing area, it is not a catch. When a collapsible, portable fence is used and a defensive player is standing on the fence when the catch is made it is a legal catch. A defensive player may climb a fence to make a legal catch; therefore a defensive player may also stand on a fence that has fallen or is falling to the ground. As long as the defensive player has not stepped outside the playing area, the other side of the fence, the catch is legal.


For my personal way of trying to remember this moving forward, I’ll try to think that USA Softball allows for the Upper boundary of the fence, even if it falls back and the defender is standing on it.

Thanks for the "not on my list" reminder, and for the mnemonic.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Teams start with 9 players.

Player leaves the game with a (non-concussion) injury.

In USA, player may not return (exception is the blood rule).

In NFHS, a player may return even if she's missed a turn a bat which resulted in an out. Each player is entitled to 1 re-entry. (Case Book 3.3.8.C)

[Tru_in_Blu]

Unreported substitute. I believe this to be true, and we may have discussed it here previously. But I can't put my finger on specific references.

Bottom of the 7th inning, tie game.

Unreported substitute hits a walk-off HR.

NFHS, game over; USA allows for the protest of the unreported sub who is declared out.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Unreported substitute. I believe this to be true, and we may have discussed it here previously. But I can't put my finger on specific references.

Bottom of the 7th inning, tie game.

Unreported substitute hits a walk-off HR.

NFHS, game over; USA allows for the protest of the unreported sub who is declared out.

NFHS, game over
Assuming no previous unreported sub ??

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

NFHS, game over
Assuming no previous unreported sub ??

Well, maybe even if there was. I mean, what's the penalty? The offending player and the coach will be restricted to the bench for the remainder of the game... Wait, what? Oh, the game's over? OK, happily restricted.

This is something that in all likelihood would never happen, right? But by rule, if it did, doesn't seem very fair on the NFHS side. But as I learned in Business Law I, it doesn't matter if it's fair - it matters that it's the (law) rule.