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Old Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:23pm
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Knee out of box

NCAA rules. If a batter makes contact with the ball while their knee is outside the batter's box, on the ground, is the batter out? The rule says a foot, but I wasn't exactly sure. Rule reference please.

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Old Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:42pm
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NCAA rules. If a batter makes contact with the ball while their knee is outside the batter's box, on the ground, is the batter out? The rule says a foot, but I wasn't exactly sure. Rule reference please.

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Makes contact with the ball on the ground or the knee is on the ground?
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Old Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:21pm
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Knee is on the ground outside of batter's box. Dave
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Old Mon Jan 20, 2020, 11:10pm
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Any body part out of the box on the ground at the moment of contact is an illegally batted ball. Look at Case Book approved rulings, promise you it is there.
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Old Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:30pm
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Any body part out of the box on the ground at the moment of contact is an illegally batted ball. Look at Case Book approved rulings, promise you it is there.
A bit of a tangent here - Steve, any idea why we have to take the 2020 test under the 2020-21 Rules Book with the 2019 Case Book? (other than the Case Book doesn't come out until February)

Or is there an edition of the casebook other than the one I could find?
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A bit of a tangent here - Steve, any idea why we have to take the 2020 test under the 2020-21 Rules Book with the 2019 Case Book? (other than the Case Book doesn't come out until February)

Or is there an edition of the casebook other than the one I could find?
Per Vickie, she is still editing the casebook; not only to make the adjustments to the new rules, but to drop back and fix other noted errata. So we have to use what is the most current available, and add the newer AR's available on the Central Hub. Just as we must in all other situations.

Seriously, as late as during the middle of the Atlanta Clinic on 1/11/20, there were new tweaks to the "Taking the Signal", which she noted on a 1/15 published Interpretation. Based on several pointed questions, she had a teleconference with the Rules Committee with a decision before we left!!
Literally no way to have the updated Casebook available, she didn't want to release multiple versions with partial corrections; and the SUP was determined the test needed to be completed before the start of the season!!
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Old Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:38am
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You don't need the case book for this. Look carefully at 11.2.5, 11.15.1, 11.24.4 11.21.4, and 11.24.5 11.21.5.

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Old Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:00pm
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You don't need the case book for this. Look carefully at 11.2.5, 11.15.1, 11.24.4, and 11.24.5.
I believe you mean 11.21.4 and 11.21.5.

If that isn't enough, I can promise you this exact play (took a knee outside the box while bunting) was mentioned at the Atlanta Clinic.
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Old Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:33pm
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I believe you mean 11.21.4 and 11.21.5.

If that isn't enough, I can promise you this exact play (took a knee outside the box while bunting) was mentioned at the Atlanta Clinic.
I do mean that. Thank you.
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A bit of a tangent here - Steve, any idea why we have to take the 2020 test under the 2020-21 Rules Book with the 2019 Case Book? (other than the Case Book doesn't come out until February)

Or is there an edition of the casebook other than the one I could find?
Any reason they took two weeks to mail the books/manuals then cut two weeks off the end date?
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Old Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:25pm
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Any reason they took two weeks to mail the books/manuals then cut two weeks off the end date?
Two different "they"s involved.

NCAA SUP set the test deadline.
ArbiterSports, by contract to someone OTHER than the SUP, mailed the books. Yes, they were (reportedly) aware of the test deadline, but apparently underperformed.
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You don't need the case book for this. Look carefully at 11.2.5, 11.15.1, 11.24.4 11.21.4, and 11.24.5 11.21.5.
I'm on travel right now so I can't check. But for the life of me, I don't recall seeing the language in these sections of the hard-copy 2020-2021 rule book I used when I took the test that you find in the downloadable version of the same book. I believe they all still referenced the word "foot" instead of "body" in the hard-copy book.

Is it possible that the NCAA printed the 2020-2021 book with the old language from the 2018-2019 book, and then fixed the language for the PDF version?
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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 05:27pm
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I'm on travel right now so I can't check. But for the life of me, I don't recall seeing the language in these sections of the hard-copy 2020-2021 rule book I used when I took the test that you find in the downloadable version of the same book. I believe they all still referenced the word "foot" instead of "body" in the hard-copy book.

Is it possible that the NCAA printed the 2020-2021 book with the old language from the 2018-2019 book, and then fixed the language for the PDF version?
My 18-19 book say any part of the foot; 20-21, while not highlighted as a change says any part of the body.
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