NCAA Softball 2 Out indicator

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by umpjim

With two outs and RISP wouldn't the time play signal be given in SB? In BB it would and PU would not leave HP. But would you give a time play signal for every combination of runners and outs that would apply?

The time play signal is supposed to be given in NCAA play with two outs anytime a runner is on (2 man). Speaking ASA/NFHS, the time play signal isn't even an official thing. This isn't baseball, so the PU responsibilities don't change: we've still got primary coverage on the play at 3B on the first throw from the outfield in all codes.

We don't typically give the signal unless there are two outs (NCAA), but I did it in as in the post above because, as I said, either team could potentially win on any given pitch.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Okay, what is BU's mechanics on this play?

IMO, same as always but with a reminder to keep his head on a swivel. Steve's scenario presents yet another example of where by-the-book 2-man mechanics can't cover everything, no matter which manual one might be following on the field.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by teebob21

The time play signal is supposed to be given in NCAA play with two outs anytime a runner is on (2 man). Speaking ASA/NFHS, the time play signal isn't even an official thing. This isn't baseball, so the PU responsibilities don't change: we've still got primary coverage on the play at 3B on the first throw from the outfield in all codes.

Might want to check your USA umpire manual.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Might want to check your USA umpire manual.

Where?

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Where?

I was thinking the same thing. Not sure what Irish is suggesting that I review...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by teebob21

I was thinking the same thing. Not sure what Irish is suggesting that I review...

Read the post I cited and then check to see what the USA umpire's manual has for 1st & 2nd with two outs assigned responsibility and see if Teebob's comment is true.

Yeah, this is a pop quiz

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Read the post I cited and then check to see what the USA umpire's manual has for 1st & 2nd with two outs assigned responsibility and see if Teebob's comment is true.

Yeah, this is a pop quiz

Ok, I'll bite:

Originally Posted by teebob21 Speaking ASA/NFHS, the time play signal isn't even an official thing.

Correct, not listed in official signals (pp 30 -36)

PU responsibilities don't change:

Responsibilities do not change with the number of outs, as mechanics are listed by runners on base without the number of outs as a qualifier.

we've still got primary coverage on the play at 3B on the first throw from the outfield in all codes.

Mostly correct. - PU has primary coverage on "lead runner at 3rd." Where I rate this as "mostly" is the choice to use "first throw." The first throw could be the "last runner" into third which belongs to BU.

Unless you are looking at a different page than 68-69 (FP) or 78 (SP), he is correct (with slight wording modification).

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Ok, I'll bite:


Correct, not listed in official signals (pp 30 -36)




Responsibilities do not change with the number of outs, as mechanics are listed by runners on base without the number of outs as a qualifier.



Mostly correct. - PU has primary coverage on "lead runner at 3rd." Where I rate this as "mostly" is the choice to use "first throw." The first throw could be the "last runner" into third which belongs to BU.

Unless you are looking at a different page than 68-69 (FP) or 78 (SP), he is correct (with slight wording modification).

The lead runner wasn't going to 3rd, was she?