Tangent to passing a runner topic.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by youngump

By rule, I don't think you can avoid this. There's no exception for until the play ends in the LBR. I don't think the rule was intended this way though and I don't the distinction is going to matter in all but the most unusual of circumstances. The LBR is canceled if the pitcher fakes or makes a play. If she's still acting as a fielder she's almost certainly going to do one of those two things.

The pitcher making a play, or some action that incites a response from the runners does cancel the lookback rule for the moment, it doesnt cancel it permanently for that play. As soon as the pitcher goes back to just simply holding the ball in the circle the lookback rule reactivates.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

The pitcher making a play, or some action that incites a response from the runners does cancel the lookback rule for the moment, it doesnt cancel it permanently for that play. As soon as the pitcher goes back to just simply holding the ball in the circle the lookback rule reactivates.

Yes, but the pitcher isn't going to do that while the play is still on going.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by youngump

Yes, but the pitcher isn't going to do that while the play is still on going.

Pitchers fake throws all the time, especially at younger levels. The lookback is off when they fake the throw, as soon as they stop and are no longer feinting a motion to make a play the lookback rule is back in effect.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Pitchers fake throws all the time, especially at younger levels. The lookback is off when they fake the throw, as soon as they stop and are no longer feinting a motion to make a play the lookback rule is back in effect.

Agreed. Even if F1 isn't pumping fake throws, if that ball is held in a throwing position, the LBR isn't on.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Agreed. Even if F1 isn't pumping fake throws, if that ball is held in a throwing position, the LBR isn't on.

Unless something has changed recently, raising the arm to a throwing position is considered a play by the pitcher for the purpose of the LBR.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Unless something has changed recently, raising the arm to a throwing position is considered a play by the pitcher for the purpose of the LBR.

That was the point I was making. "Agreed" was a broad term: I agree that pitchers make fake throws all the time, especially at lower/younger levels.

[CecilOne]

And my final question was:

"Does "looks toward 2nd" count as a play or fake play, before the throw?"

Let's assume arm not raised.