3 man rotation question

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The highlighted line is a little confusing.

PU needs to take this runner home. Since there was no play at 3B s/he should not have needed to commit to 3B. The only negative is that the PU must be aware s/he cannot move into a position between R3 and the plate

Now I'm confused.
My understanding, based on someone being ahead of the lead runner, is the PU covering 3rd, regardless of where the fielders are
and the U1 rotating home when the PU does that, even if late.
Then, the PU can judge where the play is going; possibly call off the U1 if the U1 is too late.

Additionally, this shows the value of BOTH pre-game and pre-pitch.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Now I'm confused.

Corrected

My understanding, based on someone being ahead of the lead runner, is the PU covering 3rd, regardless of where the fielders are
and the U1 rotating home when the PU does that, even if late.
Then, the PU can judge here the play is going; possibly call off the U1 if the U1 is too late.

The PU has way less that half the distance to cover and doesn't have to traverse the area between the player with the ball and the plate.

BTW, I'm addressing the OP only. Personally, as a UIC, I'd rather U1 be sure and confident with the play @ 1B than worrying about getting to foul territory and to the far side of the plate prior to the runner approaching. The coverage of 3rd & home is a relatively easy task for the PU with just one runner to watch.

[CecilOne]

Let's say the OP runner gets to 3rd but the throw goes over and R1 tries for home, creating a rundown. If the PU had come into fair to make the call, does the PU stay in fair and the U1 takes the foul side of the rundown?

It seems obvious, but I seem to have heard the PU always takes the foul side of a rundown. Is that only in 2 ump?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Let's say the OP runner gets to 3rd but the throw goes over and R1 tries for home, creating a rundown. If the PU had come into fair to make the call, does the PU stay in fair and the U1 takes the foul side of the rundown?

It seems obvious, but I seem to have heard the PU always takes the foul side of a rundown. Is that only in 2 ump?

Look at it this way; once the PU goes to 3rd, and U1 covers home on the rotation, which one is functionally the PU?

For all and any reasons you heard explaining why the PU needs to be on the foul side, those same principles apply to U1 covering home in the rotation.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Look at it this way; once the PU goes to 3rd, and U1 covers home on the rotation, which one is functionally the PU?

For all and any reasons you heard explaining why the PU needs to be on the foul side, those same principles apply to U1 covering home in the rotation.

As I said, seems obvious, but glad I know I can say so to those who differ.

Another Q, starting with U3 at 2nd and no chasing,
Is it ever appropriate or expected for U3 to cover 3rd?
If so, if and when?

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

As I said, seems obvious, but glad I know I can say so to those who differ.

Another Q, starting with U3 at 2nd and no chasing,
Is it ever appropriate or expected for U3 to cover 3rd?
If so, if and when?

Cecil, I know you know this, but: If U3 is at 2nd, we have R1. With no chase, PU should rotate to 3B for a potential play, U1 should rotate home if PU goes to 3rd, and U3 should pick up the batter-runner and R1 if she stop at 2B. It is not expected that U3 should have to make a call at 3B. We always want to rotate in the opposite direction of the base runners.

Now, is it possible that the plate umpire falls down, and U3 reads this and deviates to make the call? Yes, and that is an appropriate time for U3 to bust a*s and get the best possible angle. U1 is too far away to have credibility here.

My Google-fu is weak this morning, but somewhere out on Youtube there is a video of HP umpire Mike Bartling making a call on the batter-runner at 2B. Find that one in the manual.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Cecil, I know you know this, but: If U3 is at 2nd, we have R1. With no chase, PU should rotate to 3B for a potential play, U1 should rotate home if PU goes to 3rd, and U3 should pick up the batter-runner and R1 if she stop at 2B. It is not expected that U3 should have to make a call at 3B. We always want to rotate in the opposite direction of the base runners.

Now, is it possible that the plate umpire falls down, and U3 reads this and deviates to make the call? Yes, and that is an appropriate time for U3 to bust a*s and get the best possible angle. U1 is too far away to have credibility here.

My Google-fu is weak this morning, but somewhere out on Youtube there is a video of HP umpire Mike Bartling making a call on the batter-runner at 2B. Find that one in the manual.

I was pretty sure of that, but I have not been U3 for a while and want to get all of it in my head.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by teebob21

My Google-fu is weak this morning, but somewhere out on Youtube there is a video of HP umpire Mike Bartling making a call on the batter-runner at 2B. Find that one in the manual.

There are a couple of possible reasons for this to happen.

In 2 man, if the BU stays foul ground on a play on the BR at 1st, and the ball gets by, PU is expected to bust up the middle to take 2nd.

In 3 man, if both U1 and U3 chase, or if U3 chases but U1 gets pinned, then, again, a good PU will pick up the BR at 2nd.

MB would certainly fit the description of a good PU.