Play on or dead ball

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

This^^^^^^

The rule is that the runner is not out if the batted ball passes a fielder and another fielder does not have an opportunity to make an out. IMO, that would be a fielder in the general vicinity with a possible chance field the batted ball.

This still brings up of how we interpret the passed an infield. Am I safe in assuming that when F3 is playing in and F4 is playing back, and the ball goes directly between them, that the ball has passed F3, therefore the ball remains live unless F4 (or possibly F9) would have the ability to make an out.

Under this interpretation, I definitely kicked this call with my partner.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

This still brings up of how we interpret the passed an infield. Am I safe in assuming that when F3 is playing in and F4 is playing back, and the ball goes directly between them, that the ball has passed F3, therefore the ball remains live unless F4 (or possibly F9) would have the ability to make an out.

Under this interpretation, I definitely kicked this call with my partner.

Pass generally means through or within reach. If there was no possibility for the fielder making a play then it did not pass for purposes of this rule.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

This still brings up of how we interpret the passed an infield. Am I safe in assuming that when F3 is playing in and F4 is playing back, and the ball goes directly between them, that the ball has passed F3, therefore the ball remains live unless F4 (or possibly F9) would have the ability to make an out.

Under this interpretation, I definitely kicked this call with my partner.

I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill by looking for specifics to guide your judgment. You seem to be searching for someone to offer a specific distance or circumstance and I don't believe you are going to get that or that is even necessary.

As Rich and I have noted, it is your judgment as to whether a player may have had the opportunity to make a play on the batted ball. Just the ability to get to the ball, not an absolute execution of an out.

[Linknblue]

In the OP I think the question is...........If no one, infielders or outfielders, had a play on the ball because they couldn't have reached it and it hit the runner, is it still a dead ball out or do we play on cuz no one could have made a play....in our wonderful judgement?

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill by looking for specifics to guide your judgment. You seem to be searching for someone to offer a specific distance or circumstance and I don't believe you are going to get that or that is even necessary.

As Rich and I have noted, it is your judgment as to whether a player may have had the opportunity to make a play on the batted ball. Just the ability to get to the ball, not an absolute execution of an out.

The rule states another fielder has an opportunity to make an out. I'm almost certain, I had to look it up a week or so ago for reference

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

The rule states another fielder has an opportunity to make an out. I'm almost certain, I had to look it up a week or so ago for reference

That is applicable to a secondary fielder after the ball passes another defender. Rich and I were referring to the primary fielder which the ball has passed

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

That is applicable to a secondary fielder after the ball passes another defender. Rich and I were referring to the primary fielder which the ball has passed

Aha. Sorry.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill by looking for specifics to guide your judgment. You seem to be searching for someone to offer a specific distance or circumstance and I don't believe you are going to get that or that is even necessary.

As Rich and I have noted, it is your judgment as to whether a player may have had the opportunity to make a play on the batted ball. Just the ability to get to the ball, not an absolute execution of an out.

You are aware that under the HS rules, the term used is make an out correct.

With that said, I was look more at how people determine a ruling on this rather than a specific distance.