Deceitful act or great play?

[Blueplate]

NFHS
R1 on 3rd base....She is moving on the pitch..Ball is pitched and returned to F1,who quickly attempts a pick off of R1 who is diving back to bag. F6 who is on 3rd base jumps straight up as if the throw is high,and giving the appearance of an over throw.

R1 thinking there was an over throw, gets up and heads to home...but F1 still has the ball hidden in her glove and tags out R1.

Great play or..
A) Deceitful tactic
B) Unsporting act or behavior not in the accordance with the spirit of fair play.

[teebob21]

IMO that's a legal play. Deception during a live ball is not forbidden.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Blueplate

NFHS
R1 on 3rd base....She is moving on the pitch..Ball is pitched and returned to F1,who quickly attempts a pick off of R1 who is diving back to bag. F6 who is on 3rd base jumps straight up as if the throw is high,and giving the appearance of an over throw.

R1 thinking there was an over throw, gets up and heads to home...but F1 still has the ball hidden in her glove and tags out R1.

Great play or..
A) Deceitful tactic
B) Unsporting act or behavior not in the accordance with the spirit of fair play.

Blue Plate:

Why would you think that this play was anything other that a great play.

MTD, Sr.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Blueplate

NFHS
R1 on 3rd base....She is moving on the pitch..Ball is pitched and returned to F1,who quickly attempts a pick off of R1 who is diving back to bag. F6 who is on 3rd base jumps straight up as if the throw is high,and giving the appearance of an over throw.

R1 thinking there was an over throw, gets up and heads to home...but F1 still has the ball hidden in her glove and tags out R1.

Great play or..
A) Deceitful tactic
B) Unsporting act or behavior not in the accordance with the spirit of fair play.

I do think this is not in the spirit of fair play, however it is also a great play given the nature of the world we live in today.

How would I rule in a game? R1 is out and R1's coach needs to do a better job coaching at 3rd base. I put the blame on this right on the coach. A coach needs to know where the ball is and instruct the players what to do based on the information he/she has available to her that the runner does not have. If the coach says stay and the runner goes anyway, that's on the runner for not listening to the coach.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

I do think this is not in the spirit of fair play, however it is also a great play given the nature of the world we live in today.

How would I rule in a game? R1 is out and R1's coach needs to do a better job coaching at 3rd base. I put the blame on this right on the coach. A coach needs to know where the ball is and instruct the players what to do based on the information he/she has available to her that the runner does not have. If the coach says stay and the runner goes anyway, that's on the runner for not listening to the coach.

Chapmaja:

So you are saying that "The Hidden Ball Play" is not in the Spirit of Fair Play?

The OP is no different that the "Skunk in the grass" play.

MTD, Sr.

[Blueplate]

I agree...but..

NFHS rules states on page 39, Rule 3.6.13...and I quote
"Unsporting acts shall not be committed,including, but not limited to":

b)" .....Deceitful tactics, or baiting....."

c) Behavior in any manner not in accordance with the spirit of fair play.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Blueplate

I agree...but..

NFHS rules states on page 39, Rule 3.6.13...and I quote
"Unsporting acts shall not be committed,including, but not limited to":

b)" .....Deceitful tactics, or baiting....."

c) Behavior in any manner not in accordance with the spirit of fair play.

Blue Plate:

I just have two things to say:

1) Have you never seen a baseball team pull the "skunk in the grass" play?

2) Don't go looking for problems where there are no problems to be found. Because NFHS Softball Rule R3-S6-A13 (use hyphens when referring to the Rules Book and periods when referring to Casebook Plays) has nothing to do with the play we are discussing.

MTD, Sr.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Chapmaja:

So you are saying that "The Hidden Ball Play" is not in the Spirit of Fair Play?

The OP is no different that the "Skunk in the grass" play.

MTD, Sr.

What is the "skunk in the grass" play?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Chapmaja:

So you are saying that "The Hidden Ball Play" is not in the Spirit of Fair Play?

The OP is no different that the "Skunk in the grass" play.

MTD, Sr.

This is more like the Miami play. Still legal.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

I do think this is not in the spirit of fair play, however it is also a great play given the nature of the world we live in today.

How would I rule in a game? R1 is out and R1's coach needs to do a better job coaching at 3rd base. I put the blame on this right on the coach. A coach needs to know where the ball is and instruct the players what to do based on the information he/she has available to her that the runner does not have. If the coach says stay and the runner goes anyway, that's on the runner for not listening to the coach.

Is it OK to trick the batter by not telling her what pitch is coming?

[teebob21]

2017 NFHS Rule Changes:

• The baserunner is no longer required to touch each base in order.
• The pitcher is no longer allowed to take a step during the delivery and must pitch with both feet on the ground at the same time.
• The batter is given the privilege of calling for a low or high pitch. A pitch that is high, when the batter has called for a low pitch, and vice versa, shall be ruled a ball.

In case anyone is humor-impaired, these are actual 19th century baseball rules.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by teebob21

2017 NFHS Rule Changes:

• The baserunner is no longer required to touch each base in order.
• The pitcher is no longer allowed to take a step during the delivery and must pitch with both feet on the ground at the same time.
• The batter is given the privilege of calling for a low or high pitch. A pitch that is high, when the batter has called for a low pitch, and vice versa, shall be ruled a ball.

In case anyone is humor-impaired, these are actual 19th century baseball rules.

Did you get those from Irishmafia from his early years as an umpire?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

Did you get those from Irishmafia from his early years as an umpire?

That would be the late 60's, long before there were computers let alone the internet. Was AZ even a state back then

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Is it OK to trick the batter by not telling her what pitch is coming?

And if a change-up is thrown after a fastball is called!?!? Hell, that's gotta be worth two bases

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Blueplate

NFHS
R1 on 3rd base....She is moving on the pitch..Ball is pitched and returned to F1,who quickly attempts a pick off of R1 who is diving back to bag. F6 who is on 3rd base jumps straight up as if the throw is high,and giving the appearance of an over throw.

R1 thinking there was an over throw, gets up and heads to home...but F1 still has the ball hidden in her glove and tags out R1.

Great play or..
A) Deceitful tactic
B) Unsporting act or behavior not in the accordance with the spirit of fair play.

Are you asking if this is analogous to a fake tag or if it is hindering or confusing the runner?