Interference??

[CecilOne]

The fact that we have this debate 2 - 3 times a year tells me that even with or cadre of experts, interpreters, UICs, clinicians and Council attendees; there is no clear and consistent rule. Especially true between NFHS, ASA, etc.

Not being in the above categories, my learned understanding and my applications are that the runner does not have to disappear, evaporate or "unrun"; and if the runner happens to be in the way, so be it.

Of course, I remember being told after the fact by a Rules Interpreter that I was wrong on a call using that basis.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

The fact that we have this debate 2 - 3 times a year tells me that even with or cadre of experts, interpreters, UICs, clinicians and Council attendees; there is no clear and consistent rule. Especially true between NFHS, ASA, etc.



Not being in the above categories, my learned understanding and my applications are that the runner does not have to disappear, evaporate or "unrun"; and if the runner happens to be in the way, so be it.



Of course, I remember being told after the fact by a Rules Interpreter that I was wrong on a call using that basis.

Sorry, just signed up not long ago bc I found the app to use on phone so I've not been around for previous debates. I can see we have two pretty distinct thoughts on this and it doesn't appear anyone is going to change. Ha!!! Oh well, nothing like a rarely used rule up for debate in middle of off season


I wish I had a cool signature

[RKBUmp]

As someone stated, considering this comes up at least 2-3 times a year, over and over and over again why has there never been a case play or clarification issued on it?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

The fact that we have this debate 2 - 3 times a year tells me that even with or cadre of experts, interpreters, UICs, clinicians and Council attendees; there is no clear and consistent rule. Especially true between NFHS, ASA, etc.

Not being in the above categories, my learned understanding and my applications are that the runner does not have to disappear, evaporate or "unrun"; and if the runner happens to be in the way, so be it.

Of course, I remember being told after the fact by a Rules Interpreter that I was wrong on a call using that basis.

The irony is that while most associations' (ASA and NFHS) official rulings match what you are stating here, the NCAA interpretation has been that the retired runner must go "poof" (or slide well before the base??). Remember the rulings in postseason play a few years ago?

Yet, once a just-retired runner reaches the base, NCAA allows the baseball-style muggings to break up a DP, while the others (ASA and NFHS) require a more controlled effort that is based on running the bases in an effort to be safe, not interfering with the defense making a play.

[roadking]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

The irony is that while most associations' (ASA and NFHS) official rulings match what you are stating here, the NCAA interpretation has been that the retired runner must go "poof" (or slide well before the base??). Remember the rulings in postseason play a few years ago?

Yet, once a just-retired runner reaches the base, NCAA allows the baseball-style muggings to break up a DP, while the others (ASA and NFHS) require a more controlled effort that is based on running the bases in an effort to be safe, not interfering with the defense making a play.

The super regionals where real ugly that year, sadly the NCAA allows for the "incidental"head hunting for a DP on these play.
I agree, if the runners has done everything she was suppose to be doing, she cannot just disappear.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

The irony is that while most associations' (ASA and NFHS) official rulings match what you are stating here, the NCAA interpretation has been that the retired runner must go "poof" (or slide well before the base??). Remember the rulings in postseason play a few years ago?

I do and think it is still just as much a wrong call now as I did when I saw them. Problem is the NCAA rule is very similar to ASA in requiring an "act" by the offensive player.

IMO, permitting this manner of target practice is callous and borders on a cowardly interpretation that jeopardizes fair play and the health of the player.

[roadking]

Now refresh my memory in asa and nfhs, if judged to be no interference on the play, does the ball remain live?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by roadking

Now refresh my memory in asa and nfhs, if judged to be no interference on the play, does the ball remain live?

INT = DB, except UI (umpire interference, not user input )