Misapplied rule in Oklahoma HS playoffs

[Suudy]

Seems the politicians are getting involved:

OK Senator Calling On OSSAA After Controversial Douglass-Locust - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports |

From the article:

The community leaders said they believe racial bias may have played a role in the officiating though they stopped short of calling it a racist issue. Pittman and other Oklahoma City leaders called for "justice" and "change" in the OSSAA.

“It's not a black or white thing, it's about doing the right thing,” Pittman said.

Officials are racist, eh?

[Welpe]

A misapplied rule clearly indicates systemic bias against...nevermind, I can't even finish this thought. Sigh...now I've read it all.

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by Welpe

A misapplied rule clearly indicates systemic bias against...nevermind, I can't even finish this thought. Sigh...now I've read it all.

Right. Because no other team at any level has ever had a misapplied rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Suudy

Seems the politicians are getting involved:

OK Senator Calling On OSSAA After Controversial Douglass-Locust - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports |

From the article:


Officials are racist, eh?

The shirts are Black AND White

[JRutledge]

And this is why you should consider the makeup of the crew in order to eliminate that issue. Not always possible, but it is factored in many times so that these issues can be about the situation and not destracted by a side issue.

That being said, not sure why this was not corrected.

Peace

[Rich]

Douglass-Locust Grove: Locust-Grove-Heritage Hall 3A semifinal postponed | News OK …

A few words comes to mind: Egregious, arbitrary, capricious, and contrary to the NFHS rules.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And this is why you should consider the makeup of the crew in order to eliminate that issue. Not always possible, but it is factored in many times so that these issues can be about the situation and not destracted by a side issue.

No you shouldn't. It should just be the best crew you can get. So if you have two teams with white coaches, the crew should be all white? Then there would be an uproar over not using black officials. Race shouldn't matter. The fact is they enforced from the wrong spot, that's it. It just so happens that 3 of the 5 calling this game were black, including the referee, who has been officiating football for 32 years. Why arent his motives called into question?

[Texas Aggie]

Putting aside some mobility issues by the crew, I can not for the life of me figure out why at least one of 5 guys on a state quarterfinal game crew could not go in there with the correct enforcement. It appears Fed enforcement on this is the same as NCAA and if so, its not a tricky enforcement.

The video doesn't make clear -- where did they end up enforcing the foul from? The previous spot?

Is there any action being taken on the antics after the game?

[zm1283]

These people at OKC Public Schools are complete jackwads. This is a high school football game.

I can't believe a court has jurisdiction over something like this.

Stuff like this comes from our society's current mentality of instant gratification. We can't tell kids that sh*t happens and things may not go their way sometimes and they may get the short end of the stick. We have to keep everyone happy.

Old man rant over.

[paulsonj72]

Originally Posted by zm1283

These people at OKC Public Schools are complete jackwads. This is a high school football game.

I can't believe a court has jurisdiction over something like this.

Stuff like this comes from our society's current mentality of instant gratification. We can't tell kids that sh*t happens and things may not go their way sometimes and they may get the short end of the stick. We have to keep everyone happy.

Old man rant over.

OT and somewhat political here but bear with me as I will try to answer the question here in regards to why the judge ruled the way he did. In most states district court judges are elected to the seat they are sitting in so this is a way for the judge to TRY and have people remember him the next time his seat comes up for election and that he tried to something for the people who are in the electorate. Now in most other states when something lie this has been done and the case goes to a higher court the judgement(if against the defendant) has been reversed as most state courts have ruled they(the courts) do not have jurisdiction over high school athletics. Case law across the country on this matter is pretty solid.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Putting aside some mobility issues by the crew, I can not for the life of me figure out why at least one of 5 guys on a state quarterfinal game crew could not go in there with the correct enforcement. It appears Fed enforcement on this is the same as NCAA and if so, its not a tricky enforcement.

The video doesn't make clear -- where did they end up enforcing the foul from? The previous spot?

Is there any action being taken on the antics after the game?

Yes. They enforced from the previous spot.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

No you shouldn't. It should just be the best crew you can get. So if you have two teams with white coaches, the crew should be all white? Then there would be an uproar over not using black officials. Race shouldn't matter. The fact is they enforced from the wrong spot, that's it. It just so happens that 3 of the 5 calling this game were black, including the referee, who has been officiating football for 32 years. Why arent his motives called into question?

What should matter and what does matter are two different things. It was brought up wasn't it?

I did not say that this crew did anything wrong other than the rules application, but I can tell you that this often gets brought up in my state in other sports. Football does not have the type of accomplishment from certain areas so you hardly have this as an issue. But the optics can matter and if you have more diversity, you can avoid this even being mentioned. The "best crew" is subjective anyway. And it obviously mattered in the movie based on a real situation during "High School Lights." It is unfortunate, but it happens.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What should matter and what does matter are two different things. It was brought up wasn't it?
. But the optics can matter and if you have more diversity, you can avoid this even being mentioned.

Very doubtful, because much like "beauty", conclusions are based SOLELY on what some people looking WANT TO SEE, and some people have an agenda that supersedes EVERYTHING ELSE (what they actually see, what they actually know, what actual facts tell them, common sense and logic).

Unfortunately, we have become a society where different interest groups insist on pouring all the oil they can muster on the squeakiest of all wheels, regardless of even the most obvious damage excess oil causes. No matter how much "oil" is provided, it will never satisfy the needs of those who live to squeak., or fix what actually may need attention.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Very doubtful, because much like "beauty", conclusions are based SOLELY on what some people looking WANT TO SEE, and some people have an agenda that supersedes EVERYTHING ELSE (what they actually see, what they actually know, what actual facts tell them, common sense and logic).

Unfortunately, we have become a society where different interest groups insist on pouring all the oil they can muster on the squeakiest of all wheels, regardless of even the most obvious damage excess oil causes. No matter how much "oil" is provided, it will never satisfy the needs of those who live to squeak., or fix what actually may need attention.

Yes, blame the gadfly instead of the boil.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And this is why you should consider the makeup of the crew in order to eliminate that issue. Not always possible, but it is factored in many times so that these issues can be about the situation and not destracted by a side issue.

That being said, not sure why this was not corrected. Peace

Suggesting, "The makeup of the crew" would make any difference whatsoever is ridiculous and a useless effort to pander towards those in our society unable to look, or see, past their nose and are interested in advancing ONLY their personal agenda that has nothing to do with football. This is nothing more than continuing the effort to apply EXCESS oil to an EVER squeaking wheel that ignores, even thinking about applying the personal lubrication available to correct it's problems.