Misapplied rule in Oklahoma HS playoffs

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And this is why you should consider the makeup of the crew in order to eliminate that issue. Not always possible, but it is factored in many times so that these issues can be about the situation and not destracted by a side issue.

That being said, not sure why this was not corrected. Peace

Suggesting, "The makeup of the crew" would make any difference whatsoever is ridiculous and a useless effort to pander towards those in our society unable to look, or see, past their nose and are interested in advancing ONLY their personal agenda that has nothing to do with football. This is nothing more than continuing the effort to apply EXCESS oil to an EVER squeaking wheel that ignores, even thinking about applying the personal lubrication available to correct it's problems.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Suggesting, "The makeup of the crew" would make any difference whatsoever is ridiculous and a useless effort to pander towards those in our society unable to look, or see, past their nose and are interested in advancing ONLY their personal agenda that has nothing to do with football. This is nothing more than continuing the effort to apply EXCESS oil to an EVER squeaking wheel that ignores, even thinking about applying the personal lubrication available to correct it's problems.

I am not pandering to anyone, just telling you what would help solve the problem. If you feel that it will not, that is fine. But do not think what you think is going to make the situation go away.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not pandering to anyone, just telling you what would help solve the problem. If you feel that it will not, that is fine. But do not think what you think is going to make the situation go away.

Peace

How does it solve anything IN THIS INSTANCE -- there were 3 African-Americans on the crew already, no?

I've worked games in mostly African-American schools.

I've hired African-American officials in all-white, rural schools.

I've worked in some very interesting places -- I remember the one school in New Orleans about 17 years ago where I was the only white person in the building, refereeing a boys varsity game. I had no problems at all. Coach made a joke about it near the end of the game and made sure he followed it up with an invitation to come back anytime.

Personally, I just think it's sad that people out there still make this an issue, but I also think that saying it's not an issue is just as wrong and quite naive.

I'm not sure of the answer, but I'm not about to hire for my crew or my conference based on this kind of thing.

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not pandering to anyone, just telling you what would help solve the problem. If you feel that it will not, that is fine. But do not think what you think is going to make the situation go away.

Peace

It's a bandaid. It's like solving deaths by gunshot by issuing bullet proof deaths. Sure, it helps, but it doesn't get to the root of the problem. The root problem isn't the racial makeup of the crew. The root problem is the attitudes of the people involved.

[JRutledge]

When you have diversity in all situations, it is harder for those to claim much anything about who they are dealing with. When you don't, you open the door up for things like this being said.

I do not care about how many were on one game. I care about who you have for all the games. I would not be surprised that there was probably not a entirely African-American crew on this school's schedule. And if they did, how many times did that take place. Why does that matter? It matters to help eliminate any assumption of bias or inappropriate behavior with the participants. Just like people complain about where we live and who we are bias against based on where we live, we can do the same with make-up of the crew. Just like in the news with the issues with police, many of the outcries change if you have a diversity in the work force. If you don't, then you will have these issues being raised over and over and over again.

Peace

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When you have diversity in all situations, it is harder for those to claim much anything about who they are dealing with. When you don't, you open the door up for things like this being said.

I do not care about how many were on one game. I care about who you have for all the games. I would not be surprised that there was probably not a entirely African-American crew on this school's schedule. And if they did, how many times did that take place. Why does that matter? It matters to help eliminate any assumption of bias or inappropriate behavior with the participants. Just like people complain about where we live and who we are bias against based on where we live, we can do the same with make-up of the crew. Just like in the news with the issues with police, many of the outcries change if you have a diversity in the work force. If you don't, then you will have these issues being raised over and over and over again.

Peace

In other words, attitudes. There's no evidence of actual different treatment, only an "assumption of bias or inappropriate behavior." Sending an all African-American crew to one or even all Douglass's games would do nothing to address those attitudes other than to justify them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Suudy

In other words, attitudes. There's no evidence of actual different treatment, only an "assumption of bias or inappropriate behavior." Sending an all African-American crew to one or even all Douglass's games would do nothing to address those attitudes other than to justify them.

Attitudes have a lot to do with what we do. Why do people not work their Alma mater? Why do people not work at schools their kids or relatives attend? Why do people not work games in the town they live?

It is not because they are going to do anything bias.

Heck I got off a game last year where the girl I was seriously dating and now live with, her cousin was the coach of one of the teams. Now I would have been totally professional if I had to work the game. But I told the tournament director that of this association and allowed him to move me if he saw fit. Why do you think I had that conversation with the TD and my girlfriend's cousins? Attitudes. This is just another reason all things need to be considered as well. Because what was the accusation that someone has to answer for? Yep you got it.

Peace

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Attitudes have a lot to do with what we do. Why do people not work their Alma mater? Why do people not work at schools their kids or relatives attend? Why do people not work games in the town they live?

It is not because they are going to do anything bias.

Heck I got off a game last year where the girl I was seriously dating and now live with, her cousin was the coach of one of the teams. Now I would have been totally professional if I had to work the game. But I told the tournament director that of this association and allowed him to move me if he saw fit. Why do you think I had that conversation with the TD and my girlfriend's cousins? Attitudes. This is just another reason all things need to be considered as well. Because what was the accusation that someone has to answer for? Yep you got it.

Peace

Please don't misunderstand me. Attitudes do have an impact. My argument is that attitudes about race shouldn't matter. Unlike your situation, your association with others was a choice. Race isn't a choice. And attitudes that because of race there should be or has been different treatment are the source of the problem here. Pandering to people's attitudes (with respect to intrinsic, unalterable characteristics) in order to avoid perceptions of bias does nothing to change those attitudes.

[LeRoy]

My question to the coach - Why did YOU get a penalty that late in the game. YOU should apologize to your kids and fans and say to them if I would have NOT gotten the penalty our boys would have won the game. Also I hope as independent contractors (Officials) in that area that they boycott working ANY football games at Douglass High School next year. Let's all remember this all started as the coach made a mistake!!!! like getting a penalty. It all falls on his shoulders!!!!!!!!!!! Now we have a judge stopping football that is NOT right. I also have questions what happens if they are forced to replay the game and there is a major incident like a kid blowing out his ACL or something else. Who is going to be responsible for that ??