Fake PAT

[maven]

Originally Posted by Suudy

But then you wouldn't need 9-9-5. Just flag the women for IP.

Failure to wear required equipment.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by PAUmpire

Thank you for posting the link to the rule book! looked forever for a copy online.

Ok after reading the rule and re-watching the play. Im one of those people who would let it go off. I dont like bringing too much subjectivity to "travesty of the game" it is a slippery slope to go down.

Given that this is exactly the type of play used in clinics when discussing this rule, I humbly beg to differ with you.

[Robert Goodman]

I can't stream the video with my software, so I need to ask based on the discussion, is this a play wherein players bark either before or after the ball is put in play? If so, a question for those who consider it tending to make a travesty of the game: Do you count it as tending toward travesty because it distracts people from the play of the game? Or do you count it as that for some other reason?

Now, for those who consider it unsportsmanlike conduct: Do you consider it so because you think it's an unfair means of getting opponents to laugh, and hence distract them? Or do you consider it so because any sort of performance other than the play of the game itself is unsportsmanlike? If it's for the first reason, do you think there are any allowable means of trying to get opponents to laugh, and hence distract them? Would you allow tickling?

[Adam]

Robert, imagine the play this way.

Standard PAT set up, before the snap, the holder starts a monkey crawl in motion towards the sideline.

The ball is then snapped to the kicker, who throws a scoring pass.

It's not about making anyone laugh. It's about engaging in absurdity to distract from the game at hand in order to utilize that distraction for an advantage.

Similar to a "barking dog" play in basketball, where a player will get down on "all fours" and bark. While everyone looks at him, the team throws a pass to another player who is wide open due to the distraction.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Would you allow tickling?

Robert, you sometimes bring up some insightful points.

Then there's this.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Adam

Robert, imagine the play this way.

Standard PAT set up, before the snap, the holder starts a monkey crawl in motion towards the sideline.

Looking injured? Or just acting funny?

The ball is then snapped to the kicker, who throws a scoring pass.

It's not about making anyone laugh. It's about engaging in absurdity to distract from the game at hand in order to utilize that distraction for an advantage.

Similar to a "barking dog" play in basketball, where a player will get down on "all fours" and bark. While everyone looks at him, the team throws a pass to another player who is wide open due to the distraction.

Huh. To me those don't seem materially different than calling out funny signals in preparation for the snap, or to distract a batter in baseball, a golfer in golf, or a shooter in pool or tennis. Of course it's to create distraction, but it doesn't seem much different from all the other ways you'd try to distract an opponent.

It's be different if it were feigning injury.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Looking injured? Or just acting funny?


Huh. To me those don't seem materially different than calling out funny signals in preparation for the snap, or to distract a batter in baseball, a golfer in golf, or a shooter in pool or tennis. Of course it's to create distraction, but it doesn't seem much different from all the other ways you'd try to distract an opponent.

It's be different if it were feigning injury.

So are you ok with the "wrong ball" play?

[HLin NC]

Then there's this.

Hence the wonderful Ignore function on the control panel.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Looking injured? Or just acting funny?


Huh. To me those don't seem materially different than calling out funny signals in preparation for the snap, or to distract a batter in baseball, a golfer in golf, or a shooter in pool or tennis. Of course it's to create distraction, but it doesn't seem much different from all the other ways you'd try to distract an opponent.

It's be different if it were feigning injury.

He was feigning mental injury.

[bigjohn]

COMMENT: Football has been and
always will be a game of deception and trickery involving multiple shifts, unusual
formations and creative plays. However, actions or verbiage designed to confuse
the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn’t imminent is
beyond the scope of sportsmanship and is illegal.


I still say this play falls under 9-9-1 and is a USC!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

He was feigning mental injury.

His coach wasn't feigning, though.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Adam

So are you ok with the "wrong ball" play?

No, because in such cases it's not clear to the other team that a distraction is intended.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by CT1

Robert, you sometimes bring up some insightful points.

Then there's this.

And I suppose you never resorted to tickling in the "Whose ball?" drill. Or in wrestling, for that matter?