Horse collar rule

[Reffing Rev.]

I heard at a clinic in 2012 that at least the Big 10 guys are taught that its possible to grab the collar of the shoulder pads from outside the jersey...I.e. if the action causes the same effect, the "buckling of the knees," they aren't picking nits on whether the hand is inside or outside. Play the game lower.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

I heard at a clinic in 2012 that at least the Big 10 guys are taught that its possible to grab the collar of the shoulder pads from outside the jersey...I.e. if the action causes the same effect, the "buckling of the knees," they aren't picking nits on whether the hand is inside or outside. Play the game lower.

That would explain the call. He did go down as if horse-collared, but the tackler had him in the name plate area.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

I heard at a clinic in 2012 that at least the Big 10 guys are taught that its possible to grab the collar of the shoulder pads from outside the jersey...I.e. if the action causes the same effect, the "buckling of the knees," they aren't picking nits on whether the hand is inside or outside. Play the game lower.

I've also heard from a training tape that this is a supported call (grabbing the back of the jersey and pulling down, creating the same effect as a HCT).

[InsideTheStripe]

Is this the play in question?

[scrounge]

The slide made it look more like a horse collar than it really was but I don't have a huge problem with that call. Err on the side of safety.

Of course, it would have been nice to call the massive, blatant hold on the left tackle, but that's a different thread!

[Eastshire]

That's the play.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've also heard from a training tape that this is a supported call (grabbing the back of the jersey and pulling down, creating the same effect as a HCT).

I wonder if this is a Big 10 region thing. I can't say I've ever heard that here but it doesn't mean it wasn't said.

[Rich]

Semi-related:

We had it happen in a HS game. Both the wing and I (the R) clearly saw that the nameplate was grabbed. Same effect as a HCT. We didn't flag it.

Naturally, the other sideline thought the hand was inside. I told the coach what happened and he was fine with the explanation.

After the game, we had a philosophical discussion on whether we should've flagged that anyway. Appears we weren't the only ones to have that kind of discussion.

Question for TX HS officials: Do you exempt players in the tackle box from a HCT foul (pure NCAA rules)?

[Welpe]

Yes, we go by strict NCAA rules for horse collars.

[JRutledge]

That is not a horse-collar IMO.

Peace

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is not a horse-collar IMO.

Peace

I thought it was marginal, at best....but looking at it another time or two and seeing it at the end in freeze-frame, I think it's a good call....could've been a no call just the same I think. If you get the still frame....you'll see why the call was made against #2...he was playing superman for a second.

OSU sideline, so the bench emphatically trying to sell it to the Linesman wasn't the case.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is not a horse-collar IMO.

Peace

I agree. Runner was already going down so there was no buckling action on this play.