Horse Collar

[ljdave]

NCAA. Did anyone see the horse collar call in the Michigan vs. Notre Dame game? Did that qualify? He didn't pull the runner down; just sort of a grab and release. Thanks.......

[brettdj]

Did not see it.

But as described that would not apply. Must be grab and immediately pull down.

[JRutledge]

He did go down, but not immediately. I had my questions about the call too. Then again there is where some judgment comes into play.

Peace

[Scooby]

I watched the game and am a Michigan fan. I thought it was a horse collar. The tackler took down the ball carrier by the back of the jersey.

[johnnyg08]

my understanding is "back of the jersey" is not the definition of horse collar.

on another note, is there a Fed rule for horsecollar?

[BoBo]

No FED rule but sure it will be coming someday

[Scooby]

No horse Collar in NFHS.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

my understanding is "back of the jersey" is not the definition of horse collar.

on another note, is there a Fed rule for horsecollar?

For NCAA:

All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside back collar of the
shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder
pads or jersey, and immediately pulling the runner down. This does not
apply to a runner who is inside the tackle box or to a quarterback who is
in the pocket.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by BoBo

No FED rule but sure it will be coming someday

thanks guys...I told that to a coach last Friday night (there wasn't a horsecollar rule in HS football) and he didn't believe me...I tried looking and couldn't find anything...thanks for the info.

[daggo66]

Ever since the NFL rule came into effect we have been hearing it at the youth level (NFHS Rules). We explain it at the beginning of the season in front of all the coaches, but it doesn't matter, it still becomes an issue. Recently we had a coach complain, so we sent an email to the heads of all of the organizations involved. There were a couple of replies, but none that could match the following from one of the coaches to the others:

Well, at the very least, your parents can call it right. I had a parent complain that his kid was "Whores Hollered" tackled.
When I asked what that was, he seriously replied, "You know like in the NFL. You grab 'em by the neck like you would to make a whore holler."

I'm not even going to say what state the father recently moved from.

I just wondered;
a. Where he'd heard that peculiar term before, and,
b. How often he'd employed such a move.

[hawkishowl20]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

For NCAA:

All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside back collar of the
shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder
pads or jersey, and immediately pulling the runner down. This does not
apply to a runner who is inside the tackle box or to a quarterback who is
in the pocket.

Thank you for this emphasis. There will be and has been widespread misunderstanding of this rule. The confusion tends to be mistakenly applying the criteria for a facemask foul to the horse collar penalty.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ljdave

NCAA. Did anyone see the horse collar call in the Michigan vs. Notre Dame game? Did that qualify? He didn't pull the runner down; just sort of a grab and release. Thanks.......

I saw it. The runner was pulled down as he went out of bounds, but it wasn't clear to me whether that counts as immediate.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by daggo66

Ever since the NFL rule came into effect we have been hearing it at the youth level (NFHS Rules). We explain it at the beginning of the season in front of all the coaches, but it doesn't matter, it still becomes an issue.

So if the coaches are so overwhelmingly (Or are they?) in favor of such a rule, why doesn't their league adopt it? If they're Pop Warner they can't, but if they're AYF or just plain independent they can.

Robert

[hawkishowl20]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

So if the coaches are so overwhelmingly (Or are they?) in favor of such a rule, why doesn't their league adopt it? If they're Pop Warner they can't, but if they're AYF or just plain independent they can.

Robert

Mine did in their amendments to the national rules which otherwise just deals with youth stuff like ball carrier weight etc.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

Mine did in their amendments to the national rules which otherwise just deals with youth stuff like ball carrier weight etc.

In other words, a local group who simply feels they know better than a national organization. Typical.