correct ball spot

[raiderfan]

NFHS rules... during a TRY. A1 sweeps left and makes it into the end zone at the left pylon. However a flag at the 1 yd line for holding on A2. The umpire spots the ball on the 11 yd line at the left hash. A's coach requested the ball be spotted in the middle of the field. The umpire is adamant the correct and only spot is the left hash. I couldn't find anything in the rules book to support either spot.

[goldsmi]

The request should be granted.


Case Book
4.3.6 SITUATION: Prior to the ready-for-play on a try, A’s captain requests the
ball be placed on the right side hash mark. A then deploys in a spread formation.
(a) A1 does not like the defensive coverage and requests a time-out; or (b) a
dead-ball foul occurs. The captain of A then asks the referee to move the ball to
a position midway between the uprights. RULING: The request is denied in (a)
and honored in (b). The captain may, in seven situations, ask that the ball be
placed at a certain point between the hash marks. However, once spotted the ball
may not be moved because of a second request. If a dead-ball foul occurs, or a
foul occurs during the down and the penalty is accepted, the captain again will be
given an opportunity to pick a spot for the replay. The request for placement of
the ball is permissible for a try or kickoff, after a safety, fair catch, awarded fair
catch, touchback, or the start of each series, using the 10-Yard Line Overtime
Procedure. (8-3-1)

[bigjohn]

someone got a little confused!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by goldsmi

The request should be granted.


Case Book
4.3.6 SITUATION: Prior to the ready-for-play on a try, A’s captain requests the
ball be placed on the right side hash mark. A then deploys in a spread formation.
(a) A1 does not like the defensive coverage and requests a time-out; or (b) a
dead-ball foul occurs. The captain of A then asks the referee to move the ball to
a position midway between the uprights. RULING: The request is denied in (a)
and honored in (b). The captain may, in seven situations, ask that the ball be
placed at a certain point between the hash marks. However, once spotted the ball
may not be moved because of a second request. If a dead-ball foul occurs, or a
foul occurs during the down and the penalty is accepted, the captain again will be
given an opportunity to pick a spot for the replay. The request for placement of
the ball is permissible for a try or kickoff, after a safety, fair catch, awarded fair
catch, touchback, or the start of each series, using the 10-Yard Line Overtime
Procedure. (8-3-1)

Which of these situations apply to the OP?

[maven]

Originally Posted by Adam

Which of these situations apply to the OP?

The first one.

Is this a trick question?

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by goldsmi

The request should be granted.


Case Book
4.3.6 SITUATION: Prior to the ready-for-play on a try, A’s captain requests the
ball be placed on the right side hash mark. A then deploys in a spread formation.
(a) A1 does not like the defensive coverage and requests a time-out; or (b) a
dead-ball foul occurs. The captain of A then asks the referee to move the ball to
a position midway between the uprights. RULING: The request is denied in (a)
and honored in (b). The captain may, in seven situations, ask that the ball be
placed at a certain point between the hash marks. However, once spotted the ball
may not be moved because of a second request. If a dead-ball foul occurs, or a
foul occurs during the down and the penalty is accepted, the captain again will be
given an opportunity to pick a spot for the replay. The request for placement of
the ball is permissible for a try or kickoff, after a safety, fair catch, awarded fair
catch, touchback, or the start of each series, using the 10-Yard Line Overtime
Procedure. (8-3-1)

I had to re-read the bolded part above several times. There was some "Eats, Shoots & Leaves" confusion on my part. My first several readings suggested that at the start of each series A could where where to put the ball in play. That last comma threw me off!

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by goldsmi

The request should be granted.


Case Book
4.3.6 SITUATION: Prior to the ready-for-play on a try, A’s captain requests the
ball be placed on the right side hash mark. A then deploys in a spread formation.
(a) A1 does not like the defensive coverage and requests a time-out; or (b) a
dead-ball foul occurs. The captain of A then asks the referee to move the ball to
a position midway between the uprights. RULING: The request is denied in (a)
and honored in (b). The captain may, in seven situations, ask that the ball be
placed at a certain point between the hash marks. However, once spotted the ball
may not be moved because of a second request. If a dead-ball foul occurs, or a
foul occurs during the down and the penalty is accepted, the captain again will be
given an opportunity to pick a spot for the replay. The request for placement of
the ball is permissible for a try or kickoff, after a safety, fair catch, awarded fair
catch, touchback, or the start of each series, using the 10-Yard Line Overtime
Procedure. (8-3-1)

This situation.

[bisonlj]

This foul happened during a running play that ended at the goal line. The foul happended behind the end of the run so the penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul (ABO). This not only includes the yard line, but also relation to the sideline. Go to the flag and mark off 10 yards. This leaves you in the side zone. Then read rule 4-3-5:
When the ball becomes dead in a side zone or is awarded to a team there or is left there by a penalty, play is resumed at the nearest hash mark.

It's usually acceptable for the U to march off this penalty at the hash rather than the side zone.

I'm surprised by how many officials don't realize previous spot and spot of the foul don't include both the yard line and relation to the sideline/hash.

[maven]

bison, for an ordinary down to be replayed, you'd be right.

But for a try, A can move the ball after a penalty, live- or dead-ball. 4-3-6a

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Adam

Which of these situations apply to the OP?

"a try".

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by maven

bison, for an ordinary down to be replayed, you'd be right.

But for a try, A can move the ball after a penalty, live- or dead-ball. 4-3-6a

I did not catch the OP was a try. Yes, then you can put the ball anywhere between the hashes.