End of Wisconsin - Arizona State game

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What players do you know when the ball is on the ground they do not try to cover it? That happens a lot even when there has not been a fumble ruled on a play. It happens when it is the first play of the game if on a close catch and the ball is on the ground, players go after the ball not waiting for an official to announce it is a fumble.

It's been reported upthread that a whistle sounded. This is very interesting: an official saying players should play past the whistle.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

It's been reported upthread that a whistle sounded. This is very interesting: an official saying players should play past the whistle.

Again, I am sure I officiate more football games in a year then you coach. And it is not uncommon for players to play despite the whistle being blown. I guess you have players in your games just stop the minute they hear the whistle whether it is a block or even a tackle. You should have seen my game Friday and how many times a whistle was blown and someone how we had to use our voice or blow the whistle as blocks and players were still moving after the whistle. I guess that never happens in any game you have ever been involved in.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Again, I am sure I officiate more football games in a year then you coach. And it is not uncommon for players to play despite the whistle being blown. I guess you have players in your games just stop the minute they hear the whistle whether it is a block or even a tackle. You should have seen my game Friday and how many times a whistle was blown and someone how we had to use our voice or blow the whistle as blocks and players were still moving after the whistle. I guess that never happens in any game you have ever been involved in.

It happens all the time, so should I tell them to do so freely? "The officials and your opponents expect you to continue playing after the ball is dead."

I thought the officials were supposed to administer the game, not conform their procedures to what the players do.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

It happens all the time, so should I tell them to do so freely? "The officials and your opponents expect you to continue playing after the ball is dead."

I thought the officials were supposed to administer the game, not conform their procedures to what the players do.

It is obvious that you do not understand or you do not want to understand. Usually only one officials blows the whistle. We do not echo whistles. So if a whistle is at one end of the field, it is likely players for a very brief time do not hear the whistle. So if they are engaged in a block away from the ball, they might continue to block or be engaged. It does not mean they are doing anything cheap, but that is a reality. And often as a Back Judge or Deep Wing we have to communicate to players to stop verbally.

Again, like many things we talk about here, that is something you probably are not aware of as a coach. I know in the middle I can speak to players and coaches have no idea what I have said to them. And some players play on the edge of that whistle to where it could be seen as a foul or close to it.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is obvious that you do not understand or you do not want to understand. Usually only one officials blows the whistle. We do not echo whistles. So if a whistle is at one end of the field, it is likely players for a very brief time do not hear the whistle. So if they are engaged in a block away from the ball, they might continue to block or be engaged. It does not mean they are doing anything cheap, but that is a reality. And often as a Back Judge or Deep Wing we have to communicate to players to stop verbally.

Why are you bringing up situations remote from the main action, when that's not what happened here?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Why are you bringing up situations remote from the main action, when that's not what happened here?

Because the players from ASU reacted as they usually do with a ball on the ground in front of them. That is why the Wisconsin player should not just put the ball down on the ground.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Because the players from ASU reacted as they usually do with a ball on the ground in front of them.

But they were not remote from the whistle.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

It's been reported upthread that a whistle sounded. This is very interesting: an official saying players should play past the whistle.

At the NCAA and NFL level as it relates to a fumble vs ball dead or a backward pass vs a forward pass? Yes, they should still attempt to recover the ball...if the QB hadn't had put his knee down, then by the ASU getting on the top of the ball with a clear recovery, they would have gotten the ball.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by APG

At the NCAA and NFL level as it relates to a fumble vs ball dead or a backward pass vs a forward pass? Yes, they should still attempt to recover the ball...if the QB hadn't had put his knee down, then by the ASU getting on the top of the ball with a clear recovery, they would have gotten the ball.

Anyway, you do not see a scramble by these players for the ball. Look at the stills, and you can see most of the players of team B standing and waiting for the ball to be RFP. There are just a couple of players ostensibly trying to play the ball, and according to the written acc't, they did so after the U moved into the vicinity.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

It's been reported upthread that a whistle sounded. This is very interesting: an official saying players should play past the whistle.

You might as well have typed, "I don't know what I'm talking about, please ignore me."

Have you coached ONE game in the NCAA? Based on this post, no.