End of Wisconsin - Arizona State game

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

It's not always possible to read what Jeff really does mean ... but several of his comments came across (to me at least) as saying the QB's idiocy DID make it OK that the officials screwed it up. I do too.

I never said no such craziness.

You put the ball on the ground, players go after the ball. You think ASU did not think for a few seconds that was a loose ball? And who caused that? The QB who just put the ball on the ground that is who. Players do not set the ball on the ground. When have we ever done that as officials? Players know this if they watch any football. It might not matter a whole lot, but that was not necessarily the spot where the ball would be placed. He should have at least handed the ball to the Referee (not the best person) or the Umpire and then no one would have thought the ball was a fumble. And if ASU prevented such action to get the ball in play now you have some reasonable recourse. Not everyone hears a whistle the same way either. We have enough plays where even when whistles are blown players do not stop immediately and we do not penalize them for further actions. If teams that run these Oregon style offenses on regular plays do this, so could this player.

All I am saying is do not cause the confusion. You want the ball back in play, help the officials do just that. And it was a also a case of over coaching. Why is getting the ball to the middle so valuable? They miss FGs all the time in the NFL and the hashes are even closer to the middle.

I know this is an officiating site, but I think the team should be blamed for what they did. And just as I thought the officials will likely still be working and this will be a footnote in the season.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You put the ball on the ground, players go after the ball. You think ASU did not think for a few seconds that was a loose ball? And who caused that? The QB who just put the ball on the ground that is who.

Then why doesn't 3-3-2(e)8 apply?

Players do not set the ball on the ground.

I tell my players every practice session to do exactly that. You hear the whistle, you stop what you're doing and leave the ball on the ground.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Then why doesn't 3-3-2(e)8 apply?

I tell my players every practice session to do exactly that. You hear the whistle, you stop what you're doing and leave the ball on the ground.

Yes if there are 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. If there are 15 seconds left at the of the play you get it as quickly as possible to the nearest official so they can get it set. You risking several different things happening to the ball if you don't. This play is a great example of what can happen if you don't do this. There is fault in the officials as well, but the QB is definitely a key contributor.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Then why doesn't 3-3-2(e)8 apply?

Why don't you explain this one to me, because I am still trying to figure out what this has to do with the situation? The clock was not stopped.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I tell my players every practice session to do exactly that. You hear the whistle, you stop what you're doing and leave the ball on the ground.

You obviously did not actually read what I said. Players that run no-huddle or speed up offenses often teach their players to hand the officials the ball, so they can get the ball to the line and run a play quickly. If you want to tell your players to do that in the middle of the game that is fine with me. But when you are in hurry up, you will slow down things if you tell them to do that.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why don't you explain this one to me, because I am still trying to figure out what this has to do with the situation? The clock was not stopped.

I know, that's the problem. You or someone upthread said players of both teams contributed to delaying the RFP. If that's the case, this provision said the game clock is supposed to be stopped and then started again on the ref's signal.

You obviously did not actually read what I said. Players that run no-huddle or speed up offenses often teach their players to hand the officials the ball, so they can get the ball to the line and run a play quickly. If you want to tell your players to do that in the middle of the game that is fine with me. But when you are in hurry up, you will slow down things if you tell them to do that.

If the player has the ball in his hands close to the dead ball spot, how can putting the ball on the ground slow things down? The official spotting the ball is going to have to come to the dead ball spot and bend down anyway. But meanwhile the player could be getting into position rather than looking or waiting for the official.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I know, that's the problem. You or someone upthread said players of both teams contributed to delaying the RFP. If that's the case, this provision said the game clock is supposed to be stopped and then started again on the ref's signal.

I have blamed Wisconsin. I did not blame ASU. ASU players were doing what I expected them to do.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

If the player has the ball in his hands close to the dead ball spot, how can putting the ball on the ground slow things down? The official spotting the ball is going to have to come to the dead ball spot and bend down anyway. But meanwhile the player could be getting into position rather than looking or waiting for the official.

Did the officials use his spot? Obviously not, so give the ball to the person that will spot the ball based on the forward progress the officials have determined. How often do you see a player put the ball forward when they have been ruled down? How often do the officials just leave the ball where the player put the ball down? Never, so thanks for playing.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

You hear the whistle, you stop what you're doing and leave the ball on the ground.

So YOU are the coach that keeps doing that. I spend an awful lot of time telling kids to cut that crap out.