End of Wisconsin - Arizona State game

[JRutledge]

Outraged by what? A player that does not know how to down the ball?

I have never seen a player do something so silly before. So what am I supposed to be upset by? I am sure the crew never saw such a silly player act as well.

Sorry it is just another Saturday from my point of view.

You keep talking about what the crew did not do but I have not heard what they should have done from your point of view.

Maybe then I might get outraged, but I doubt it.

Peace

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Outraged by what? A player that does not know how to down the ball?

I have never seen a player do something so silly before. So what am I supposed to be upset by? I am sure the crew never saw such a silly player act as well.

Sorry it is just another Saturday from my point of view.

You keep talking about what the crew did not do but I have not heard what they should have done from your point of view.

Maybe then I might get outraged, but I doubt it.

Peace

How can I possibly be more clear?

Stave took the knee with 15 seconds left. The pay wad immediately whistled dead. Stave went back to the line to snap the ball to spike it to stop the clock, but was unable to do so because the officials let an ASU player lay on the ball for 7 seconds. The officials at that point should have either flagged ASU for delay of game or simply stopped the clock to properly spot it.

All of this could have been fixed, but the officials were in too big of a hurry to get off the field instead of doing their jobs.

No guarantee that Wisconsin makes the field goal, but it's nothing short of a total screwjob that they were denied the opportunity.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by hbk314

but it's nothing short of a total screwjob that they were denied the opportunity.

So, how much did you lose on this game?

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by asdf

So, how much did you lose on this game?

Nothing. It's just the worst bit of officiating I've seen in years.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by hbk314

Nothing. It's just the worst bit of officiating I've seen in years.

Not even close, IMO.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by hbk314

How can I possibly be more clear?

Stave took the knee with 15 seconds left. The pay wad immediately whistled dead. Stave went back to the line to snap the ball to spike it to stop the clock, but was unable to do so because the officials let an ASU player lay on the ball for 7 seconds. The officials at that point should have either flagged ASU for delay of game or simply stopped the clock to properly spot it.

All of this could have been fixed, but the officials were in too big of a hurry to get off the field instead of doing their jobs.

No guarantee that Wisconsin makes the field goal, but it's nothing short of a total screwjob that they were denied the opportunity.

I do not know what letting 15 seconds as you say has to do with getting off the field. If the time went off that much, then they should have stopped the clock. But when the next play is run you cannot go back and fix that, which is why I put this on the QB for his actions. He did something so unusual, it took everyone a few seconds to figure it out. And I did not say that the officials could not have handled it better, but they certainly had a player do something so silly. If anything it should have been a fumble and the game was over as ASU would have had the ball. But the officials blew the whistle so that ended that possiblity. If anything this is on Wisconsin IMO. And I do not find outrage in something they created or did not teach properly. At some point players have to know the rules and leave no doubt for the officials. Because the situation was so unusal, this put the officials in a spot where they would have made no one happy. Becaues if they stopped the clock like you say, then Wisconsin gets time to kick a FG which would have ended in controversy as well. Sorry, no sympathy for Wisconsin on this one.

I understand exactly what you are saying, I just do not agree with you. I do not see this as a travesty or something the officials are responsible for. Sorry, I saw the play and was like WTF is the QB doing?

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Outraged by what? A player that does not know how to down the ball?

I can't see the video, but if he set the ball on the ground simultaneously with taking a knee, probably it was because he thought he'd get the officials to make the ball RFP sooner if he put it down for them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I can't see the video, but if he set the ball on the ground simultaneously with taking a knee, probably it was because he thought he'd get the officials to make the ball RFP sooner if he put it down for them.

He did not take a knee, the QB just put the ball on the ground while standing up. ASU treated it like a fumble and rightfully jumped all the ball. But that was not necessarily on the officials, that was on the Wisconsin player.

Peace

[hbk314]

You missed the part where he took a knee. That was the point the play was blown dead. That's why I'm saying 7 seconds is way too long to let a "confused" player lay on the ball. The play was clearly and correctly called a kneel down.

[asdf]

The sun has risen and set since this happened. I'm sure if the powers that be determine that sanctions are warranted, they will be administered.

In he end, if your kicker can't hit a 33 yard field goal from the right hash, your 20th ranked team has more issues than a QB screwing up.

[Texas Aggie]

Sorry, but I don't really see the problem (personally, I don't really like either team), other than the fact that the whistle blew prematurely. I would have called this a fumble. NOW, if they want to rule him down here based on intent to take a knee, that's fine, but the actions of the defense by getting on the ball are reasonable. I've been watching football my entire life - over 40 years and I've never, ever seen a QB do anything like that. There's no way in hell I'm flagging the D for jumping on the ball, and if I ruled it down we will get it ready as soon as possible. In this case, the QB doesn't know how to take a knee and that's their problem, not the officials'.

Had this happened when time was not a factor, no one would have even remembered it. I don't know why the U held the play up but if his explanation is even remotely reasonable, there's NO officiating problem here.

You can't do something strange and expect the officials to behave as if you did something everyone sees at every game.

[Big2Cat]

I know this is probably old by now, it's hard to see if he takes a knee, but the endzone shot, slowed down, clearly shows him taking a knee. The fact that the officials blew the play dead acknowledges that--you can hear them. The umpire should have been more urgent spotting the ball. Every umpire knows you speed up a bit under 2 minutes.

The Pac-12 admitted it was wrong. The Big Ten office confirmed it. The officials had a crazy situation and messed up. It happens. But, it should make all of us better next Saturday when something crazy happens to us.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

I know this is probably old by now, it's hard to see if he takes a knee, but the endzone shot, slowed down, clearly shows him taking a knee. The fact that the officials blew the play dead acknowledges that--you can hear them. The umpire should have been more urgent spotting the ball. Every umpire knows you speed up a bit under 2 minutes.

The Pac-12 admitted it was wrong. The Big Ten office confirmed it. The officials had a crazy situation and messed up. It happens. But, it should make all of us better next Saturday when something crazy happens to us.

The biggest mistake I see the umpire making is holding up the Wisconsin team from coming to the ball. There was no reason for him to do that based on the mechanics by college umpires at that level in a meeting we had tonight. I am not so sure he even knew why the ASU players were on the ball, nor am I sure he knew how the ball was dead. We tell umpires to not blow their whistle for a reason. I think the Referee could have helped the umpire out by communicating better so that the umpire knew what to do next. Either the Referee or maybe the HL were the only ones that knew how the ball was dead.

And one thing I can almost assure everyone, there will not be a player putting the ball on the ground anytime soon in that situation. This could have happened to any of us and no matter what we would have done someone would have claimed they were screwed. Because if you stop the clock for any reason, then ASU will make the same claim all over the media and it would not matter what the rule is that applies. If you think that is not true, remember the BYU at Washington game where a TD was scored and the QB that scored the TD he flipped the ball high in the air. And what did we do here, rip the officials for applying the clearly stated rule. Either way we cannot win.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by hbk314

You missed the part where he took a knee. That was the point the play was blown dead. That's why I'm saying 7 seconds is way too long to let a "confused" player lay on the ball. The play was clearly and correctly called a kneel down.

I do not see a knee being taken, I see a player going down, but not put their knee on the ground but placed the ball on the ground. Which if that is the case that is normally a fumble and why the ASU players reacted.

And if they did not want the confusion, why even run a play there. Stupid still. Your kicker should be able to kick the ball from anywhere and you would give them a chance. Getting the ball to the middle obviously did not work and caused more confusion with the way the QB "squatted."

Sorry, still not outraged.

Peace

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He did not take a knee, the QB just put the ball on the ground while standing up. ASU treated it like a fumble and rightfully jumped all the ball. But that was not necessarily on the officials, that was on the Wisconsin player.

Peace