Concussion Rule in Ohio

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

You guys are hilarious, the kid laid on the ground for 5 minutes. He clearly was dinged. the nature of the hit should have drawn attention or the fact that he had to be helped off the field and they weren't checking any limbs!

I can tell you have not been coaching very long or at a high level, because players lay on the ground for all kinds or reasons that have nothing to do with a concussion or a head injury of any kind. And when a player is on the ground, I am not often looking for what they are checking in detail. Sometimes we are worried about communication other information to crew members and sometimes talking to coaches about issues they want addressed or had asked about earlier in the contest. A lot of time the player is not even our only concern when they are down on the ground and medical personnel are over the situation.

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Be real guys. It was clear that he was removed for possible head injury/concussion symptoms and that is all the rule says get him suspended for the day! That message from the DOD clearly says that and the protocol says all adults are responsible for enforcing the rule and not breaking the LAW!!!!

And the fact you have never officiated and never had to make these decision shows how ignorant you are to these matters. And players come in and out of games all the time without officials knowing why, even when they are injured. And depending on where a player is injured, that can be more of evidence of how an official would not know why a player is being attended to. No one is saying that the officials could not ever see these things, but it is understandable to those that officiate why it was not seen. And if the only evidence was assumed because of interviews, that shows you a lot of why you have no idea what happens. And that does not include that I am sure TV played a role in when to get back to play and other issues that happen at a State Final that are distractions to working a game normally.

Peace

[bigjohn]

Yeah, I am ignorant! Classic.

"Coach, that young man is showing signs of a concussion, per the new rules, he is done for the day."

Yeah that takes a lot of training!


Why attack me? I am totally aware of what should have happened in this situation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Yeah, I am ignorant! Classic.

"Coach, that young man is showing signs of a concussion, per the new rules, he is done for the day."

Yeah that takes a lot of training!


Why attack me? I am totally aware of what should have happened in this situation.

Yes in the truest definition you are ignorant. You have never been an official and you are ranting about what should be done as if you know what this job involves. Yes you are ignorant. And it is not an attack to point that out to you when you keep insisting that what the officials should have done without knowing what they actually saw or did not see. Then you are making judgments based on post game comments that the officials should have seen something because someone said something in the post game wrap up or Tweets from fans.

Yes that is ignorant.

I know I am ignorant to what is or what is not an actual signs of a concussion. I know how to stay in my lane, do you?

Peace

[bigjohn]

Funny thing you would ask that I have taught driver training for 6 years logging thousands of hours in the car with new drivers. I know my lanes!

I also know the rules and have been to many rules meetings and spent countless hours studying them and hundreds of hours in football games and thousands of hours in football practices. So to call me ignorant of the ways officials should call a football rule is really a stupid statement based on your own ignorance of my life and experiences. Get over yourself.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Funny thing you would ask that I have taught driver training for 6 years logging thousands of hours in the car with new drivers. I know my lanes!

I also know the rules and have been to many rules meetings and spent countless hours studying them and hundreds of hours in football games and thousands of hours in football practices. So to call me ignorant of the ways officials should call a football rule is really a stupid statement based on your own ignorance of my life and experiences. Get over yourself.

And your medical degree is in what?

Peace

[bigjohn]

REFS MAKE THE CALL

Under Ohio’s new concussion law, referees are charged with removing a player who exhibits signs and symptoms of concussion. Ohio’s law is the rare concussion law to name referees in this task.

Once a player is removed on suspicion of concussion, the athlete cannot return to play that same day even if medical personnel believe the player has not suffered a concussion.

“If we get down to the nitty gritty of the game and some stud player gets hurt and you direct them out, you’re going to take some abuse,” said Carl Davidson, who is beginning his 29th season as a football referee.

Lawmakers felt including referees in removing a player would add an extra layer of protection, as they are right there with some of the best vantage points to see a hard hit or symptoms of a concussion.


Friday Night Ohio

[HLin NC]

Not seeming to be much different than in NC, we send them off to be seen by the Approved Health Provider. Our burden has been met. If the AHP clears them, we're out of it.

I have been calling football since 1994. I have never went and analyzed a player lying on the ground. I blow my whistle, stop the clock, and call for the trainer. I have never once inserted myself into any discussion with the staff while a player has been attended to.

If I see a player up and around showing signs of a possible concussion, I will advise the coach that player needs looked at and whatever sign I observed that led me to that conclusion. It's his issue after that.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Funny thing you would ask that I have taught driver training for 6 years logging thousands of hours in the car with new drivers. I know my lanes!

I also know the rules and have been to many rules meetings and spent countless hours studying them and hundreds of hours in football games and thousands of hours in football practices. So to call me ignorant of the ways officials should call a football rule is really a stupid statement based on your own ignorance of my life and experiences. Get over yourself.

You don't know the rules....and you don't know how rules are applied, you think everything is black and white....

That makes you ignorant on the rules.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by asdf

You don't know the rules....and you don't know how rules are applied, you think everything is black and white....

That makes you ignorant on the rules.

Actually there's a significant difference between being simply ignorant, and being, unfortunately, stupid.

Ignorance is usually caused by a simple lack of knowledge, which can be easily corrected by providing the knowledge necessary to elleviate the problem. Stupid is an entirely different matter, and at times can prove to be uncorrectable.

[bigjohn]

So it is stupid of me to think that 5 trained officials of Division 1 State Finals caliber should be able to see that a kid clearly was showing signs of a head injury and that the medical staff was checking to see if he was concussed?

I should not assume that any of them noticed that he was definitely wobbly and apparently woosy and probably had no idea where he crapped last. I should assume that they were carrying on with other duties that were much more important than this young man's health and that they are absolved of all fault because they have performed their duties with due diligence?