dead ball contact

[afsst]

You have to judge B1's contact, both in timing and severity. If everyone else is standing still, and B1 takes a free shot, I'm going to penalize him for a Personal Foul. If lots of kids moved on A1's jerk, then I may give a little more grace. You can usually tell in these cases when a player is just trying to tee off on an opponent, and I'd err on the side of safety and flagging the defender.

[CT1]

A1 committed a false start that caused B1's contact? Tough titty. Remember the snap count next time.

[ajmc]

You can't presume that the picture you have in your mind, comes across as you see it when converted to written form. Not so much an issue of live ball/dead ball as the way ir read, the jerky motion of A was contributary to where the contact was made by B, which in and of itself leads most of us away from a flag.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

the way ir read, the jerky motion of A was contributary to where the contact was made by B,

I can understand why the presence of quick and jerky motion could affect whether contact was made, but not where.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I can understand why the presence of quick and jerky motion could affect whether contact was made, but not where.

If the "quick and jerky movement was judged to be A turning his back, so as to create the illusions of B fouling, does it really matter where such action took place?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

If the "quick and jerky movement was judged to be A turning his back, so as to create the illusions of B fouling, does it really matter where such action took place?

No, I meant where on A's body the contact took place. And if A was already facing the ball, his back was already turned to a B player outside of him.

[HLin NC]

It's either a false start and or personal foul and/or nothing, based on the covering official(s) judgment.

Clipping and/or BIB is a live ball foul, this is dead ball action.