dead ball contact

[ajmc]

You can't presume that the picture you have in your mind, comes across as you see it when converted to written form. Not so much an issue of live ball/dead ball as the way ir read, the jerky motion of A was contributary to where the contact was made by B, which in and of itself leads most of us away from a flag.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

the way ir read, the jerky motion of A was contributary to where the contact was made by B,

I can understand why the presence of quick and jerky motion could affect whether contact was made, but not where.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I can understand why the presence of quick and jerky motion could affect whether contact was made, but not where.

If the "quick and jerky movement was judged to be A turning his back, so as to create the illusions of B fouling, does it really matter where such action took place?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

If the "quick and jerky movement was judged to be A turning his back, so as to create the illusions of B fouling, does it really matter where such action took place?

No, I meant where on A's body the contact took place. And if A was already facing the ball, his back was already turned to a B player outside of him.

[HLin NC]

It's either a false start and or personal foul and/or nothing, based on the covering official(s) judgment.

Clipping and/or BIB is a live ball foul, this is dead ball action.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

It's either a false start and or personal foul and/or nothing, based on the covering official(s) judgment.

Clipping and/or BIB is a live ball foul, this is dead ball action.

What if we turn the sequence of events around and make it contact shortly after a ball becomes dead? Is it still a choice of UR or nothing, or can you call illegal BBW or clipping?

How about more extreme circumstances, where the ball becomes dead (or was never live when it appeared to be) but most of the players & officials don't realize it, and what would be illegal BBW or clipping occurs during an apparent play which is later determined to have been a dead ball interval?

[HLin NC]

What part of dead ball foul vs. live ball foul are you not grasping here? It is NOT going to be a clip.

What if space aliens invaded at the snap? Zombies rise from old graves buried beneath the field? Elvis and the marching band think its halftime and start to perform?

Its still a dead ball foul, no matter the fantasy.