1 point safety

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Just saw the replay on Sportscenter, including the white-hat's address to the crowd.

Thought he did a great job of explaining.

Indeed he did.

Now, if Oregon had gone for two and fumbled at the two, and K-State did the same thing, running into the end zone and get stopped there, would it be a two point safety?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

Indeed he did.

Now, if Oregon had gone for two and fumbled at the two, and K-State did the same thing, running into the end zone and get stopped there, would it be a two point safety?

No. Why would it be. If Oregon went for two, and it was intercepted and returned all the way, would KSU get 6 pts? Of course not.

The scoring for a safety during a try is 1 point. Period.

[Rich]

Sure looked like an illegal forward pass before the eventual end of the play. Didn't matter, of course.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Rich

Sure looked like an illegal forward pass before the eventual end of the play. Didn't matter, of course.

I agree with both claims. If the crew hadn't all been thinking "HOLY #*@%!," they might have grabbed that.

Think the FBS crews will be prepping that one before next season?

[Texas Aggie]

I am hearing it last happen in a Texas-Texas Tech game in 2004.

It was Texas A&M/Texas in '04. A similar thing happened, except the kick wasn't blocked in that game. The snap was mishandled and the ball kicked anyway -- which should have been a foul, but wasn't called -- and the defense recovered, and the rest of the play was similar to what happened last night.

I also appeared to be an illegal forward pass in the end zone, but the result would have been the same.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I also appeared to be an illegal forward pass in the end zone, but the result would have been the same.

The result would not have been the same under current rules. The penalty would be declined by rule. I sent this play situation to Rogers Redding a month ago and he confirmed it would be declined by rule so no 1 point safety if they would have had an illegal forward pass. Penalties are declined by rule after a change of possession on a Try.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

The result would not have been the same under current rules. The penalty would be declined by rule. I sent this play situation to Rogers Redding a month ago and he confirmed it would be declined by rule so no 1 point safety if they would have had an illegal forward pass. Penalties are declined by rule after a change of possession on a Try.

Exactly right, thanks for chiming in and reminding me. There were numerous case plays that covered exactly that scenario this year. Most involved a turnover (typically an interception) in the end zone followed by an IBB/clip/BBW.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

The result would not have been the same under current rules. The penalty would be declined by rule. I sent this play situation to Rogers Redding a month ago and he confirmed it would be declined by rule so no 1 point safety if they would have had an illegal forward pass. Penalties are declined by rule after a change of possession on a Try.

Wow, now there's a real loophole! If you're ever in danger of giving up a safety in such a situation, just intentionally ground the ball forward -- while pulling the face mask of the player tackling you!

[CT1]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

The result would not have been the same under current rules. The penalty would be declined by rule. I sent this play situation to Rogers Redding a month ago and he confirmed it would be declined by rule so no 1 point safety if they would have had an illegal forward pass. Penalties are declined by rule after a change of possession on a Try.

Huh? You mean B could prevent A from scoring a one-point safety by committing an illegal act?

That just doesn't make good sense.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

It was Texas A&M/Texas in '04. A similar thing happened, except the kick wasn't blocked in that game. The snap was mishandled and the ball kicked anyway -- which should have been a foul, but wasn't called -- and the defense recovered, and the rest of the play was similar to what happened last night.

I also appeared to be an illegal forward pass in the end zone, but the result would have been the same.

In the Texas game I noticed from the video that Texas kicked off as normal as if it was after a TD and not a 2-pt. safety.

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by Rich

Sure looked like an illegal forward pass before the eventual end of the play. Didn't matter, of course.

Yup. With the LJ crashing the line as the ball is still in play, not easy to see.

That woulda been a hell of a call.

[BktBallRef]

I agree, it was definitely an illegal forward pass. Thought that as soon as I saw it.

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No. Why would it be. If Oregon went for two, and it was intercepted and returned all the way, would KSU get 6 pts? Of course not.

The scoring for a safety during a try is 1 point. Period.

Thanks.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

Indeed he did.

Now, if Oregon had gone for two and fumbled at the two, and K-State did the same thing, running into the end zone and get stopped there, would it be a two point safety?

On a try in the NCAA, a TD is worth 2 points and a safety with worth 1 point, regardless of which team scores.