SC vs Mich

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

We know you are going to do what you do and that is fine. I think the point everyone is making is your crew's practice and philosophy is counter to everything you see in the NFL and D1 as well as most of us on this forum. That makes you very unique in this particular practice. Are you at least willing to acknowledge that?

I do not judge a HS crew to what happens in the NFL or D1 level with 7 officials and very well marked fields. Just like I would never compare any college anything to a HS situation. The reality I see a lot of measurements with crews on TV more than I do in my small college crew, so go figure.

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not judge a HS crew to what happens in the NFL or D1 level with 7 officials and very well marked fields. Just like I would never compare any college anything to a HS situation. The reality I see a lot of measurements with crews on TV more than I do in my small college crew, so go figure.

Peace

There certain practices at the higher levels we can apply at the lower levels and this seems like a good one. The end of my point was not only is your crew's practice different than the higher levels but different than those who work at the same level (HS). I only asked you to acknowledge that. For some reason you don't want to do it.

You aren't wrong for measuring as often as you do. We will still respect you if you say, "what we do is different than almost everyone else but it works for us so we'll keep doing it."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

There certain practices at the higher levels we can apply at the lower levels and this seems like a good one. The end of my point was not only is your crew's practice different than the higher levels but different than those who work at the same level (HS). I only asked you to acknowledge that. For some reason you don't want to do it.

You aren't wrong for measuring as often as you do. We will still respect you if you say, "what we do is different than almost everyone else but it works for us so we'll keep doing it."

You keep acting like that this is solely my decision or choice. And you act like it matters to me or the others what college officials do. I am a college official and I do not make HS decisions based on everything we do in college. A lot of things in college do not apply as you have different number of officials and a different path. When I am on my college crew I go along with what they do and I also control little or nothing as to when or if we measure on the college crew either. Also your assertion clearly is not true when a D1 officials made a big deal when he worked with a crew on an "off weekend" and the crew chief said in the pre game, "We are not going to measure today." So obviously everything people claim is done at college levels are clearly not always done. And it seems like everyone is focused on the fact I said 4-5 like that is automatic. I said it was not unusual to have that many but just like any thing else we could have games where 1 measurement is the total. We measure when it is close and we do not guess unlike others. If that makes us a bad crew so be it, I just know it has not hurt us in any way and life goes on.

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You keep acting like that this is solely my decision or choice. And you act like it matters to me or the others what college officials do. I am a college official and I do not make HS decisions based on everything we do in college. A lot of things in college do not apply as you have different number of officials and a different path. When I am on my college crew I go along with what they do and I also control little or nothing as to when or if we measure on the college crew either. Also your assertion clearly is not true when a D1 officials made a big deal when he worked with a crew on an "off weekend" and the crew chief said in the pre game, "We are not going to measure today." So obviously everything people claim is done at college levels are clearly not always done. And it seems like everyone is focused on the fact I said 4-5 like that is automatic. I said it was not unusual to have that many but just like any thing else we could have games where 1 measurement is the total. We measure when it is close and we do not guess unlike others. If that makes us a bad crew so be it, I just know it has not hurt us in any way and life goes on.

Peace

I would never advocate never measuring either. That was a stupid comment and someone should challenge the crew chief. Your original statement was that it was "every game" but later backed off a little. Nobody is saying to guess when it's close. They are saying the wings can often spot the ball to make it obvious. We can have discussions and share differences without them getting turned into defensive debates.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I would never advocate never measuring either. That was a stupid comment and someone should challenge the crew chief. Your original statement was that it was "every game" but later backed off a little. Nobody is saying to guess when it's close. They are saying the wings can often spot the ball to make it obvious. We can have discussions and share differences without them getting turned into defensive debates.

And your position has been noted. Not going to change anything I or we do. If you want to never measure be my guest. You will not see me getting upset or telling you do to otherwise. Now what did you want to accomplish by this conversation? Did you want to lecture me as to why I should be like you? As I said before I have two very good reasons why what we do works for us.

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And your position has been noted. Not going to change anything I or we do. If you want to never measure be my guest. You will not see me getting upset or telling you do to otherwise. Now what did you want to accomplish by this conversation? Did you want to lecture me as to why I should be like you? As I said before I have two very good reasons why what we do works for us.

Peace

I'm sorry if I'm not being clear Jeff. I'm not saying never measure and I'm not saying you have to change. All I'm asking is for you to acknowledge your crew's philosophy appears to be different than every other official on this forum. Maybe that makes you better than every crew. That's not for me or anyone to judge. I've asked you several times to acknowledge this but you keep going after right/wrong. I'm not going to bother you with it again.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I'm sorry if I'm not being clear Jeff. I'm not saying never measure and I'm not saying you have to change. All I'm asking is for you to acknowledge your crew's philosophy appears to be different than every other official on this forum. Maybe that makes you better than every crew. That's not for me or anyone to judge. I've asked you several times to acknowledge this but you keep going after right/wrong. I'm not going to bother you with it again.

Why do people on these boards, feel the need to have everyone see things through their prism?

Why do I need to acknowledge anything other than what my crew does? That is all I care about honestly. I do not spend my time in any officiating capacity worrying about what others do. I do what I feel is best and that is the make up of my crew. We had 3 state clinicians at home point in football that went along and advocated this philosophy. I did not make it up because I was not in charge. We did what worked for us and we were happy. Just like when State Final time came we all wore shoes that did not have all-black on them. It worked for use and no one care, so why would I care what some guy watching TV felt about our choice in shoes?

I think the worst thing people do in officiating is obsess over what other so in their careers.

Peace

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I would never advocate never measuring either. That was a stupid comment and someone should challenge the crew chief. Your original statement was that it was "every game" but later backed off a little. Nobody is saying to guess when it's close. They are saying the wings can often spot the ball to make it obvious. We can have discussions and share differences without them getting turned into defensive debates.

You're entitled to Jeff's opinion, it doesn't matter how often it changes.............

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

You're entitled to Jeff's opinion, it doesn't matter how often it changes.............

I hate to say this, but I've been giggling at your sig every time I've seen it. Great movie, at least parts of it. The word used in the movie, however, is "could", not "can."