SC vs Mich

[bisonlj]

If you are on a well-marked field and the LJ is aware of the LTG he can do a lot to help reduce the number of necessary measurements. If he squares in like he's supposed to he can come in a half yard short or just beyond the LTG depending on how he feels the play ended. If it's too close to call go with what you have and measure. It's no different than making a ruling at the goal line or a runner going out of bounds near the LTG.

[Rich]

The last two posts sum up my view perfectly.

[JRutledge]

We pretty much only measure when it is critical in the game or the possession. And it does not slow the game down. Teams slow the game down with their play selection. The pace of the game is set mostly by the teams and maybe the Referee and the crew getting the ball back to the spot, which we have done very well. I just do not get this attitude of measurements. What are you going to add 10 minutes to the game and that is a bad thing if you did? To me this is like basketball officials that complain about the number of fouls they have to call rather than worrying about more pressing issues, like preventing things that could escalate into things like a fight, but we saved 10 minutes.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We pretty much only measure when it is critical in the game or the possession. And it does not slow the game down. Teams slow the game down with their play selection. The pace of the game is set mostly by the teams and maybe the Referee and the crew getting the ball back to the spot, which we have done very well. I just do not get this attitude of measurements. What are you going to add 10 minutes to the game and that is a bad thing if you did? To me this is like basketball officials that complain about the number of fouls they have to call rather than worrying about more pressing issues, like preventing things that could escalate into things like a fight, but we saved 10 minutes.

Peace

Non-sequitir much?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Non-sequitir much?

Then why does it matter how much you measure if it tells everyone, "The spot was short." Instead of having a coach (and we know coaches complain) that you did not check to make sure? The only thing I can come up with is the time it adds.

If that is not the case, then tell me why it is not the case?

Peace

[ajmc]

What's worked for me, is declaring a 1st down only when I am absolutely certain that a 1st down has been made. If there is the slightest doubt, I'll measure. The same hold true for the Linejudge. If he's absolutely sure it's a first down, he say so, otherwise he'll defer and suggest I take a look.

So, if there is any doubt, we'll measure. When there is no doubt, we declare 1st down and off we go. If there is any request after declaring 1st down, the response is simply, "Thank you, but we don't need one."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

What's worked for me, is declaring a 1st down only when I am absolutely certain that a 1st down has been made. If there is the slightest doubt, I'll measure. The same hold true for the Linejudge. If he's absolutely sure it's a first down, he say so, otherwise he'll defer and suggest I take a look.

So, if there is any doubt, we'll measure. When there is no doubt, we declare 1st down and off we go. If there is any request after declaring 1st down, the response is simply, "Thank you, but we don't need one."

That is exactly our philosophy. When in doubt we measure. Also the LJ is not always the one with the spot, so it is not the LJ's fault if we are close.

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We pretty much only measure when it is critical in the game or the possession. And it does not slow the game down. Teams slow the game down with their play selection. The pace of the game is set mostly by the teams and maybe the Referee and the crew getting the ball back to the spot, which we have done very well. I just do not get this attitude of measurements. What are you going to add 10 minutes to the game and that is a bad thing if you did? To me this is like basketball officials that complain about the number of fouls they have to call rather than worrying about more pressing issues, like preventing things that could escalate into things like a fight, but we saved 10 minutes.

Peace

We know you are going to do what you do and that is fine. I think the point everyone is making is your crew's practice and philosophy is counter to everything you see in the NFL and D1 as well as most of us on this forum. That makes you very unique in this particular practice. Are you at least willing to acknowledge that?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

We know you are going to do what you do and that is fine. I think the point everyone is making is your crew's practice and philosophy is counter to everything you see in the NFL and D1 as well as most of us on this forum. That makes you very unique in this particular practice. Are you at least willing to acknowledge that?

I do not judge a HS crew to what happens in the NFL or D1 level with 7 officials and very well marked fields. Just like I would never compare any college anything to a HS situation. The reality I see a lot of measurements with crews on TV more than I do in my small college crew, so go figure.

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not judge a HS crew to what happens in the NFL or D1 level with 7 officials and very well marked fields. Just like I would never compare any college anything to a HS situation. The reality I see a lot of measurements with crews on TV more than I do in my small college crew, so go figure.

Peace

There certain practices at the higher levels we can apply at the lower levels and this seems like a good one. The end of my point was not only is your crew's practice different than the higher levels but different than those who work at the same level (HS). I only asked you to acknowledge that. For some reason you don't want to do it.

You aren't wrong for measuring as often as you do. We will still respect you if you say, "what we do is different than almost everyone else but it works for us so we'll keep doing it."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

There certain practices at the higher levels we can apply at the lower levels and this seems like a good one. The end of my point was not only is your crew's practice different than the higher levels but different than those who work at the same level (HS). I only asked you to acknowledge that. For some reason you don't want to do it.

You aren't wrong for measuring as often as you do. We will still respect you if you say, "what we do is different than almost everyone else but it works for us so we'll keep doing it."

You keep acting like that this is solely my decision or choice. And you act like it matters to me or the others what college officials do. I am a college official and I do not make HS decisions based on everything we do in college. A lot of things in college do not apply as you have different number of officials and a different path. When I am on my college crew I go along with what they do and I also control little or nothing as to when or if we measure on the college crew either. Also your assertion clearly is not true when a D1 officials made a big deal when he worked with a crew on an "off weekend" and the crew chief said in the pre game, "We are not going to measure today." So obviously everything people claim is done at college levels are clearly not always done. And it seems like everyone is focused on the fact I said 4-5 like that is automatic. I said it was not unusual to have that many but just like any thing else we could have games where 1 measurement is the total. We measure when it is close and we do not guess unlike others. If that makes us a bad crew so be it, I just know it has not hurt us in any way and life goes on.

Peace