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[Mike51]

Originally Posted by Ref1973

Ok so you guys saying R's ball, how do you reconcile the fundamental statement:

When R is first to touch a scrimmage kick beyond the NZ, a new series is awarded to the team in possession at the end of the down.

Does ineligible receiver downfield come into play here? More than likely the center at the least will release to cover kick.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Mike51

Does ineligible receiver downfield come into play here? More than likely the center at the least will release to cover kick.

More than likely.

Once again, the NCAA rule is superior and prevents this craziness.

[HLin NC]

Guys, these case plays get real convoluted once we start deviating from the original post. Its easy to lose track of which play we are discussing.

The simple rule of thumb an old WH taught me is that once R touches a scrimmage kick beyond the NZ, its going to be a "first down for somebody at the end of the down". That somebody is normally the team in possession at the end of the down.

Remember, K can advance a muffed scrimmage kick behind the LOS, even if touched beyond and it rebounds back. They may then run, or pass or kick again behind the LOS. The LOD provision will not apply due to the new series being awarded.

And of course there will be the inevitable USC on R's head coach after you've gone and tried to explain all this to him.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Mike51

Does ineligible receiver downfield come into play here? More than likely the center at the least will release to cover kick.

No. Under NFHS all K players may go downfield before, during, or after the kick. No restrictions. 7-5-6

[ump33]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike51
Does ineligible receiver downfield come into play here? More than likely the center at the least will release to cover kick.

Originally Posted by maven

No. Under NFHS all K players may go downfield before, during, or after the kick. No restrictions. 7-5-6

I believe Mike51 is questioning does Inelligibles Downfield apply on the pass thrown by K/A in the OP. I would say that all passing rules are in affect.

OP by Ref1973 ... NFHS: K punts from the 50, R21 muffs at the R 45. Kick rolls back to the K40, where K21 picks up the ball, then throws a forward pass to the R20 where it falls incomplete. What ya got?

[maven]

Originally Posted by ump33

I believe Mike51 is questioning does Inelligibles Downfield apply on the pass thrown by K/A in the OP. I would say that all passing rules are in affect.

Of course you're right, how silly of me.

Yes, since this is a legal forward pass, all passing restrictions (eligibility, interference) are in effect.

Note that, even if K avoids IED, they are likely to run afoul of the PI restrictions, which apply to the passing team from the snap until the pass is touched or is incomplete.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by maven

Yes, since this is a legal forward pass, all passing restrictions (eligibility, interference) are in effect.

Note that, even if K avoids IED, they are likely to run afoul of the PI restrictions, which apply to the passing team from the snap until the pass is touched or is incomplete.

I don't think so. Usually they'd be trying to avoid contact beyond the neutral zone, not to cause it. They'd only start throwing blocks if they were aware that the ball had come back into possession of a K player. The ineligibles downfield would be a much likelier foul.