Really, No Holding Call!!!!!

[Welpe]

Despite your yelling about it, that is not a foul.

[Rich]

I was more interested in looking to see if the passer was down before the ball was released.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich

I was more interested in looking to see if the passer was down before the ball was released.

I just did a frame by frame, and with the quality of the video, the money shot where the knee hits the ground has a blurry arm with at least 40 degrees of arc, and the ball coming out at some point during that arc. Impossible to judge with this video.

[RadioBlue]

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think I agree with BigJohn. #70 reaches out and grabs the jersey up near the left shoulder of the defender, spins him, and takes him down. Without #70's actions, I think the defender gets there and disrupts this play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think I agree with BigJohn. #70 reaches out and grabs the jersey up near the left shoulder of the defender, spins him, and takes him down. Without #70's actions, I think the defender gets there and disrupts this play.

And the defender is right there around the ball making a play on the ball handler despite the presence of #70. Not much of a hold or preventing a play to be made. It is only a hold when it prevents the player from making a normal play, not just because you attempt a hold. It is certainly bad technique, but not a successful attempt.

Peace

[bigjohn]

It is still a foul and should be penalized. The TD should not have stood.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

It is still a foul and should be penalized. The TD should not have stood.

Aaaaaaaah, no it is not. If you are being held, you are prevented from going somewhere or some movement. This is the equivalent to calling a holding call on a player that either makes the tackle or the defense loses yards in the backfield on a play up the middle. For one it is very suspect by all accounts on the video and the defender beat the blocker despite any attempt to stop him from the ball carrier. Again, this would be a rookie call, not a call from an experienced official.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

It is still a foul and should be penalized. The TD should not have stood.

You've posted plays here before, and by and large get summarily told you are wrong, but usually you have a point of sorts. Your suggestions are wrong, but only due to lack of understanding, or improper connecting of two rules that weren't meant to be connected, or the exploiting of what you find to be a legitimate hole in the rules.

But on this one, sir... You are Dead Freaking Wrong. This one is not even remotely close. On the 0-100 scale, 0 being no contact at all, 100 being a WWF tackle, and anything over 50 being "flag it", this is a 4.

As it was explained to me on my very first day ... Grabbing a jersey is not holding. Grabbing a jersey and pulling with enough force to affect the defender --- THAT is holding.

This guy barely got jersey, and had ZERO effect on the player he barely touched.

[JRutledge]

Anyone that calls that a hold will be working freshman ball for a lot longer than they want to.

Peace

[bigjohn]

#70, reached out, grabbed #54 and spun him halfway around. 54 would have sacked the QB had this not happened. Clearly IUH if not holding.