Clock Start Question

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich

Nope. Not in NFHS or NCAA.

Argh... my bad. Worse --- I believe I blew this one on the field last year. And none of my crew that day (sub-V, so not a standard "crew") noticed or mentioned it.

[maven]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Argh... my bad. Worse --- I believe I blew this one on the field last year. And none of my crew that day (sub-V, so not a standard "crew") noticed or mentioned it.

Ah, well blame that crew then!

My understanding of NFHS clock rules became so much clearer when someone encouraged me to memorize the "major stoppers" in 3-4-3.

The provision about "legal kick" is tricky because it's a major stopper only when you have a legal kick AND a new series (to either team). If we have a punt, K holds before the kick, and R accepts the penalty, clock runs on the RFP.

Perhaps you were thinking along these lines?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Argh... my bad. Worse --- I believe I blew this one on the field last year. And none of my crew that day (sub-V, so not a standard "crew") noticed or mentioned it.

Don't beat yourself up too badly. I'd wager the number of SV officials that know the clock rules around here number in the dozens.

Part of the problem is that we don't have a real clear set of timing rules. It's always been "use the 2005 rules" which isn't exactly right and good luck if you don't have a 2005 book.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Don't beat yourself up too badly. I'd wager the number of SV officials that know the clock rules around here number in the dozens.

Part of the problem is that we don't have a real clear set of timing rules. It's always been "use the 2005 rules" which isn't exactly right and good luck if you don't have a 2005 book.

Why not use the NCAA timing rules?

[Welpe]

I couldn't begin to give you an answer that made sense. There are rumors we might be getting close to that, including adding the 40 second clock but we'll see.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich

Why not use the NCAA timing rules?

Main reason was the high school coaches didn't want to lose plays with the "New" (7 years ago) rules about starting the clock after out of bounds plays.

[Welpe]

I bet if we adopted the NCAA timing rules en toto, we wouldn't see a big difference in game times from what we have now.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I bet if we adopted the NCAA timing rules en toto, we wouldn't see a big difference in game times from what we have now.

Longer play clock, fewer opportunities for the clock to start on the snap.

How do you figure?

[Texas Aggie]

NCAA: clock starts on the snap.

[Texas Aggie]

It's always been "use the 2005 rules"

Not anymore. UIL has codified the rules in their exceptions and we no longer rely on the page or two from the 2005 rule book. That was a big mess and a bad idea anyway -- we even played the entire 2006 season with 2005 rules. Which meant when we got to 2007, we weren't up on any editorial or other changes made in 2006. I completely missed a couple of rule changes over the next 2 years until we had something happen in a college game.

Next year, UIL is going back to the current NCAA timing rules, though there might be one or two minor exceptions. As mentioned earlier, there is no reason not to start the clock on the ready after an OOB play. Sooner or later, incomplete passes outside of 2 minutes will likely be the same.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Not anymore. UIL has codified the rules in their exceptions and we no longer rely on the page or two from the 2005 rule book. That was a big mess and a bad idea anyway -- we even played the entire 2006 season with 2005 rules. Which meant when we got to 2007, we weren't up on any editorial or other changes made in 2006. I completely missed a couple of rule changes over the next 2 years until we had something happen in a college game.

Next year, UIL is going back to the current NCAA timing rules, though there might be one or two minor exceptions. As mentioned earlier, there is no reason not to start the clock on the ready after an OOB play. Sooner or later, incomplete passes outside of 2 minutes will likely be the same.

Well that's true when they finally cleaned up the UIL exceptions. It is still a mess I contend. I hope the exceptions are tiny and limited in scope.