take a knee?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by asdf

My father-in-law was on the sidelines. It was communicated to the officials and the Bucs that the knee was coming.

Congrats to your father in law. Relevance?

It was obvious to anyone watching that TB's defense was not just loitering near the line like they often do. They were lined up as if to charge.

[waltjp]

On average, each teams has about 60-70 snaps per game. Why would you be upset that a defense plays each one of them like they mean something?

We're not talking about a 14 point deficit with 30 seconds remaining. This was a 7 point game. As long as there's time on the clock the Bucs still had a chance.

How about this, Giants, block like you mean it. Play like the game hasn't ended yet and protect your quarterback. And if you can't do that then get your QB out of there and put in the backup.

And I don't want to hear the crap about how someone might get hurt on the final play. There are inherent risks to the game. If you don't want to assume those risks then take up tennis.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by waltjp

On average, each teams has about 60-70 snaps per game. Why would you be upset that a defense plays each one of them like they mean something?

We're not talking about a 14 point deficit with 30 seconds remaining. This was a 7 point game. As long as there's time on the clock the Bucs still had a chance.

How about this, Giants, block like you mean it. Play like the game hasn't ended yet and protect your quarterback. And if you can't do that then get your QB out of there and put in the backup.

And I don't want to hear the crap about how someone might get hurt on the final play. There are inherent risks to the game. If you don't want to assume those risks then take up tennis.

That's a fanboy response. You don't have millions invested. You don't have your livehood at stake like the players do. (go spend some time with a former OL, DL, or LB and watch them struggle just to sit down. They'll tell you what getting hurt on a meaningless down is all about)

Show me one situation around the league where a team took a knee just before halftime and the opponent blew it up....

You can't. Because that's not how the game's played.

You don't like it, come up with the skills to get signed to play in this arena and change the game so the fans won't be 'cheated" out of their "entertainment value".

Until then........feel free to tell me how it is fromn a fan's point of view....

I'll continue to give you the player's side....

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by asdf

Show me one situation around the league where a team took a knee just before halftime and the opponent blew it up....

You can't. Because that's not how the game's played.

This is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

[MD Longhorn]

It is not surprising to me, but may be to others, to note the number of ex-players whose opinions are that TB did nothing wrong and NY needs to shut up. Play until the end of the game. Brian Dawkins even made my point this morning - it was obvious to everyone that TB was playing defense on that play, shame on the NYG line for not blocking.

[APG]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

It is not surprising to me, but may be to others, to note the number of ex-players whose opinions are that TB did nothing wrong and NY needs to shut up. Play until the end of the game. Brian Dawkins even made my point this morning - it was obvious to everyone that TB was playing defense on that play, shame on the NYG line for not blocking.

See, I've heard quite the opposite from ex-players and coaches.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

See, I've heard quite the opposite from ex-players and coaches.

Which ones, and on what programs?

Those I've heard to this point - Cris Carter, Brian Dawkins, Mike Golic, Mike Ditka, Ron Jaworski, Mark Schlereth, Terry Bradshaw (I think that counts negative points for me though), James Brown.

I've heard one arguing the other side - Jimmy Johnson.

[maven]

Originally Posted by waltjp

How about this, Giants, block like you mean it. Play like the game hasn't ended yet and protect your quarterback. And if you can't do that then get your QB out of there and put in the backup.

I think they got that memo this week.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Congrats to your father in law. Relevance?

It was obvious to anyone watching that TB's defense was not just loitering near the line like they often do. They were lined up as if to charge.

Relevance ?? You asked if I saw the game. I gave you someone who was on the sidelines that heard what is repeated around the league in this situation.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

They were lined up as if to charge.

After they were told the knee was coming....that's what the problem is...

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by asdf

Relevance ?? You asked if I saw the game. I gave you someone who was on the sidelines that heard what is repeated around the league in this situation.



After they were told the knee was coming....that's what the problem is...

Sigh ...

Let's not be politicians... let's actually hear the words the other person is saying and respond to those.

You said that the team behind decided without warning...
I disagreed with the "without warning" part and asked if you'd seen the play in question. If you had, I don't think you would describe Tampa's alignment as "without warning" - like I said, watching from home on TV it was obvious to me that something was coming. They were not passive at all.
The fact that your father in law heard Ferris's cousin's hairdresser say that they were taking a knee is completely irrelevant to the fact that Tampa Bay was obviously not taking the play off. I'm not disputing that NYG said they were taking a knee. No one is. So great, you have proof from your father in law that something happened that no one is disagreeing with.

I fail to understand why you (or anyone) is upset that a team down only 1 score played every down to win. Further, I wonder how this discussion would be going if Eli actually dropped the ball when he was surprised by Tampa's defensive rush.

[bcl1127]

Originally Posted by asdf

After they were told the knee was coming....that's what the problem is...

Then the Giants are not being smart, don't tell the other team what is coming. Play the knee play like any other play, because that is what it is, a play. The fake spike play is an example, everyone thinks a spike is coming, so they layoff and boom, TD because you were sleeping. Play every play in every game the same way.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bcl1127

Then the Giants are not being smart, don't tell the other team what is coming. Play the knee play like any other play, because that is what it is, a play. The fake spike play is an example, everyone thinks a spike is coming, so they layoff and boom, TD because you were sleeping. Play every play in every game the same way.

Not quite the same, as the spike is generally done by the team trailing and trying to score. Assuming they're just killing the clock is a mistake (I recall Peyton Manning throwing a TD pass on such a play).

This play is done with the idea that the game is conceded. I can understand, however, how the defense could take a bit of exception to the offense trying to concede for them.