take a knee?

[asdf]

Originally Posted by jchamp

I wasn't aware of the reference. The described case is pretty unsporting--an attempt to run up the numbers.


I have no problem with them being millionaires. I've contributed a small share to making them millionaires and did so gladly in order to appreciate the entertainment they provide.
But don't forget the second part of that statement--incredible athletes. In the NFL, they are, indeed, professional entertainers. I pay my money to see professional entertainers. In other words, "Dance, monkey! Dance!"
When I go to a movie, I expect the theater to run the film until the credits end, and not stop it just before the climax.
When I go to a concert, I expect that the musician will play his complete set, and not suddenly stop 30 seconds into his closing song.
When I go to a PROFESSIONAL* football game, I expect players to play their hearts out until there is no further doubt as to the outcome. Anything less is robbing the fans of the entertainment which they have already paid to see.

*College is a mixed case--some places it's almost professional whereas others it's definitely amateur. High school: Let's just have fun, boys!

Then you shold be howling just as loud when a team, either ahead, behind or losing, takes a knee just before the half.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by asdf

Then you shold be howling just as loud when a team, either ahead, behind or losing, takes a knee just before the half.

Why? You're suggestion is illogical. Nobody was howling at teams taking a knee. The noise is coming from those who are offended that a team saw time remaining on the clock and didn't concede the game.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Why? You're suggestion is illogical. Nobody was howling at teams taking a knee.

Jchamp is....

Originally Posted by jchamp

When I go to a PROFESSIONAL* football game, I expect players to play their hearts out until there is no further doubt as to the outcome. Anything less is robbing the fans of the entertainment which they have already paid to see.

Originally Posted by waltjp

The noise is coming from those who are offended that a team saw time remaining on the clock and didn't concede the game.

The noise is because, the team ahead, followed long accepted protocol and informed the opponent that they were taking a knee. The team behind decided without warning, that they were ignoring said accepted protocol and put their opponent in jeopardy of injury.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by asdf

Jchamp is....

No, I don't think he is. He's not upset at the offense taking a knee... he's against the defense giving up.

The team behind decided without warning, that they were ignoring said accepted protocol and put their opponent in jeopardy of injury.

Without warning? Did you watch the game? Did you see the way the defense lined up? I was watching, and I knew something was up.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No, I don't think he is. He's not upset at the offense taking a knee... he's against the defense giving up.

Without warning? Did you watch the game? Did you see the way the defense lined up? I was watching, and I knew something was up.

My father-in-law was on the sidelines. It was communicated to the officials and the Bucs that the knee was coming.

There was more than one Buc player that apologized to Manning.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by asdf

My father-in-law was on the sidelines. It was communicated to the officials and the Bucs that the knee was coming.

Congrats to your father in law. Relevance?

It was obvious to anyone watching that TB's defense was not just loitering near the line like they often do. They were lined up as if to charge.

[waltjp]

On average, each teams has about 60-70 snaps per game. Why would you be upset that a defense plays each one of them like they mean something?

We're not talking about a 14 point deficit with 30 seconds remaining. This was a 7 point game. As long as there's time on the clock the Bucs still had a chance.

How about this, Giants, block like you mean it. Play like the game hasn't ended yet and protect your quarterback. And if you can't do that then get your QB out of there and put in the backup.

And I don't want to hear the crap about how someone might get hurt on the final play. There are inherent risks to the game. If you don't want to assume those risks then take up tennis.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Congrats to your father in law. Relevance?

It was obvious to anyone watching that TB's defense was not just loitering near the line like they often do. They were lined up as if to charge.

Relevance ?? You asked if I saw the game. I gave you someone who was on the sidelines that heard what is repeated around the league in this situation.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

They were lined up as if to charge.

After they were told the knee was coming....that's what the problem is...

[jchamp]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No, I don't think he is. He's not upset at the offense taking a knee... he's against the defense giving up.

That's correct. "Taking a knee" is an acceptable strategic option that is always available to the offense.

"Giving up" is the concession of defeat, and is never an option for any NFL player or fan, unless there is no chance of victory (e.g., down 2+ scores; less than 30 seconds).

We didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!

[asdf]

Originally Posted by jchamp

That's correct. "Taking a knee" is an acceptable strategic option that is always available to the offense.

"Giving up" is the concession of defeat, and is never an option for any NFL player or fan, unless there is no chance of victory (e.g., down 2+ scores; less than 30 seconds).

We didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!

Maybe from a fan's (your?) point of view. (until your QB blows out an ACL on the last play )

The indisputable fact reamains that regardless if you or I like or don't like it, this went against protocol.

It's also not going to change. The reason ???.....

There's a far greater risk of injury to a star play than the chance that the offense will blow the snap.