take a knee?

[asdf]

Originally Posted by jchamp

If he was only up 10 points at the half, then he's smart to try to pad his lead. It doesn't take long for those ten points to evaporate, especially if you're kicking to start the 3rd.

Victory formation started as a way for the offense to eliminate as much as possible the risk of losing due to a fumble when they don't need the yardage to win the game. "Taking a knee" at halftime is completely discretionary and should NEVER be assumed. In the NFL, "taking a knee" should be afforded the same opportunities as any other play.

I can buy protecting kids in HS, but when we're talking about millionaires with incredible athletic prowess, don't just let them play, MAKE them play.

This happened at the end of the game.

Bush league for taking two knees then trying to throw a TD pass up 10 points with 30 seconds to go. (Even worse was the fact that DPI was called in the EZ and the Eagles scored the TD on the next play)

A common theme seems to be emerging here. Millionaires.....

There's a reason why they are millionaires. There's a reason why the teams in the league have accepted the practice of taking the knee with no resistance.

You don't like them being millionaires, that's your hang up.

The best line I heard out of all this was that "when guys bring stuff from the college game to the pro game, the usually end up back in the college game"

How true....

[jchamp]

Originally Posted by asdf

This happened at the end of the game.

I wasn't aware of the reference. The described case is pretty unsporting--an attempt to run up the numbers.

A common theme seems to be emerging here. Millionaires.....

There's a reason why they are millionaires. There's a reason why the teams in the league have accepted the practice of taking the knee with no resistance.

You don't like them being millionaires, that's your hang up.

I have no problem with them being millionaires. I've contributed a small share to making them millionaires and did so gladly in order to appreciate the entertainment they provide.
But don't forget the second part of that statement--incredible athletes. In the NFL, they are, indeed, professional entertainers. I pay my money to see professional entertainers. In other words, "Dance, monkey! Dance!"
When I go to a movie, I expect the theater to run the film until the credits end, and not stop it just before the climax.
When I go to a concert, I expect that the musician will play his complete set, and not suddenly stop 30 seconds into his closing song.
When I go to a PROFESSIONAL* football game, I expect players to play their hearts out until there is no further doubt as to the outcome. Anything less is robbing the fans of the entertainment which they have already paid to see.

*College is a mixed case--some places it's almost professional whereas others it's definitely amateur. High school: Let's just have fun, boys!

[asdf]

Originally Posted by jchamp

I wasn't aware of the reference. The described case is pretty unsporting--an attempt to run up the numbers.


I have no problem with them being millionaires. I've contributed a small share to making them millionaires and did so gladly in order to appreciate the entertainment they provide.
But don't forget the second part of that statement--incredible athletes. In the NFL, they are, indeed, professional entertainers. I pay my money to see professional entertainers. In other words, "Dance, monkey! Dance!"
When I go to a movie, I expect the theater to run the film until the credits end, and not stop it just before the climax.
When I go to a concert, I expect that the musician will play his complete set, and not suddenly stop 30 seconds into his closing song.
When I go to a PROFESSIONAL* football game, I expect players to play their hearts out until there is no further doubt as to the outcome. Anything less is robbing the fans of the entertainment which they have already paid to see.

*College is a mixed case--some places it's almost professional whereas others it's definitely amateur. High school: Let's just have fun, boys!

Then you shold be howling just as loud when a team, either ahead, behind or losing, takes a knee just before the half.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by asdf

Then you shold be howling just as loud when a team, either ahead, behind or losing, takes a knee just before the half.

Why? You're suggestion is illogical. Nobody was howling at teams taking a knee. The noise is coming from those who are offended that a team saw time remaining on the clock and didn't concede the game.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Why? You're suggestion is illogical. Nobody was howling at teams taking a knee.

Jchamp is....

Originally Posted by jchamp

When I go to a PROFESSIONAL* football game, I expect players to play their hearts out until there is no further doubt as to the outcome. Anything less is robbing the fans of the entertainment which they have already paid to see.

Originally Posted by waltjp

The noise is coming from those who are offended that a team saw time remaining on the clock and didn't concede the game.

The noise is because, the team ahead, followed long accepted protocol and informed the opponent that they were taking a knee. The team behind decided without warning, that they were ignoring said accepted protocol and put their opponent in jeopardy of injury.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by asdf

Jchamp is....

No, I don't think he is. He's not upset at the offense taking a knee... he's against the defense giving up.

The team behind decided without warning, that they were ignoring said accepted protocol and put their opponent in jeopardy of injury.

Without warning? Did you watch the game? Did you see the way the defense lined up? I was watching, and I knew something was up.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No, I don't think he is. He's not upset at the offense taking a knee... he's against the defense giving up.

Without warning? Did you watch the game? Did you see the way the defense lined up? I was watching, and I knew something was up.

My father-in-law was on the sidelines. It was communicated to the officials and the Bucs that the knee was coming.

There was more than one Buc player that apologized to Manning.

[jchamp]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No, I don't think he is. He's not upset at the offense taking a knee... he's against the defense giving up.

That's correct. "Taking a knee" is an acceptable strategic option that is always available to the offense.

"Giving up" is the concession of defeat, and is never an option for any NFL player or fan, unless there is no chance of victory (e.g., down 2+ scores; less than 30 seconds).

We didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!