"Traveling" Signal at snap

[tjones1]

According to our Head Football Clinician in Illinois, his opinion is it's a foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tjones1

According to our Head Football Clinician in Illinois, his opinion is it's a foul.

I honestly think this is a HTBT situation more than anything. Because I do not think he would advocate any movement from the receivers or even line just because they move their arms. We allow so many other movements, unless the movement was jerky or animated, I still cannot see how I would even call this.

Peace

[Adam]

What foul? False start? It can't be a shift, can it?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What foul? False start? It can't be a shift, can it?

I could buy a false start (if it is herky, jerky and animated), but not a shift under and circumstances. And a FS would be a stretch for me.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I could buy a false start (if it is herky, jerky and animated), but not a shift under and circumstances. And a FS would be a stretch for me.

Peace

The NFHS has defined it as a shift when the QB takes his hands and puts them under center. So I could see this defined as a shift, sure.

[MD Longhorn]

For what it's worth, which may be minimal, I've now asked 5 FED guys with vastly more FED experience than me, and none of them think this should be illegal as long as it's not done suddenly as if to draw someone off.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

The NFHS has defined it as a shift when the QB takes his hands and puts them under center. So I could see this defined as a shift, sure.

I believe they defined an action to move under the center, not just putting your hands under center.

Peace

[maven]

7.2.7 SITUATION: The quarterback by voice command has signaled his teammates
to assume a set position while he is standing upright behind the center.
The quarterback steps forward and places his hands under the center to receive
the snap: (a) at the instant the snap is made; or (b) which is made after he is
motionless, but prior to one second having elapsed; or (c) which is made after he
is motionless for one second; or (d) which is made after he is motionless for one
second, but while he is stepping backward with one foot as the snap is made.
RULING: In (a), it is illegal motion. In (b), it is an illegal shift. In (c), it is legal. In
(d), it is legal unless a teammate is also in motion at the snap. COMMENT: If the
quarterback drops his hands under the snapper without stepping forward, it is a
shift and not motion. (2-39; 7-2-6)

[maven]

Originally Posted by Rich

The NFHS has defined it as a shift when the QB takes his hands and puts them under center. So I could see this defined as a shift, sure.

Yes it's a shift. But early in the game, I'm talking to the QB rather than flagging this. If it persists, I'll have to get it.

[Adam]

I'm just on my first year of football, but I don't see how hand signals constitute a shift.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I honestly think this is a HTBT situation more than anything. Because I do not think he would advocate any movement from the receivers or even line just because they move their arms. We allow so many other movements, unless the movement was jerky or animated, I still cannot see how I would even call this.

Peace

Agree that it's a HTBT situation; however, his words are it's an illegal shift, at least.

[REFANDUMP]

What I think we can agree on, is that I hope we never see this !!!: