Oregon 2-pt play?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

No, some people just think the snapper is ineligible. I don't think they are confusing it with the "fumblerooski" or forward handoff.

What confuses people is any play they haven't seen, or haven't seen in a long time. People hardly ever see such a hyperunbalanced line that an end is the snapper, so some come to think such unseen things are illegal. A coach at Huey's a few days ago posted that he thought in NCAA there had to be at least one line player on each side of the snapper. Maybe he got that from some version of 7- or 8-a-side touch football.

I used to hear such things as, "They used to drop kick until they made it illegal." Indeed Fed in recent times has used the rarity of a play as a reason for banning it. When they outlawed the return kick, the reason given was not safetly but that the officials would err on such a rare play. Wasn't that also the reason given for limiting forward passes to 1 per down (even though that makes it harder to administer now)? Funny, but they didn't seem to think that an important consider'n when they took that restriction off, but thinking was apparently different then. Maybe they thought it would be used more often, the way NCAA thought when they instituted the 2-pt. try that it would become the norm. That's why they moved the spot of the try from the 2 to the 3 yard line. By the time AFL got going, they had a couple of years of NCAA's experience and realized they needed no such discouragement, so they kept the spot of the try at the 2. Still most teams ostensibly kicking snapped from the 3 yard line, just to use the 10 yard stripe as a convenient marker to place the ball for the kick.

[SC Ump]

For NFHS, this exception to the numbering requirements as noted in 7-2-5(b) might be the only time a snapper would not be allowed to be an eligable receiver:

1. On first, second or third down, when A sets or shifts into a scrimmage-kick formation as in 2-14-2a, the snapper may be a player numbered 1 to 49 or 80 to 99. If Team A has the snapper in the game under this exception, Team A shall have at least four players wearing numbers 50-79 on its line of scrimmage. The snapper in the game under this exception must be between the ends and is an ineligible forwardpass receiver during that down unless the pass is touched by B (7-5-6b).

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SC Ump

For NFHS, this exception to the numbering requirements as noted in 7-2-5(b) might be the only time a snapper would not be allowed to be an eligable receiver:

1. On first, second or third down, when A sets or shifts into a scrimmage-kick formation as in 2-14-2a, the snapper may be a player numbered 1 to 49 or 80 to 99. If Team A has the snapper in the game under this exception, Team A shall have at least four players wearing numbers 50-79 on its line of scrimmage. The snapper in the game under this exception must be between the ends and is an ineligible forwardpass receiver during that down unless the pass is touched by B (7-5-6b).

So, on fourth down or an extra point attempt the jersey numbering doesn't apply, per say? Clue me in as I'm clueless of the rule as I don't work football.

Just trying to learn a little more or the obscure rules and situations that apply.

[HLin NC]

Under NFHS rules:

Anytime that A has the normally required 5 players numbered 50-79 on the line, the snapper could be an end or an interior lineman. A is not using the numbering exception under that premise.

On downs 1-3, under the exception, the snapper can have an otherwise eligible number, but he must line up between the ends and there must be at least 4 other players numbered 50-79 on the line with him.

On 4th down and the try any eligible numbered player may take the position of a player normally numbered 50-79. If he/they does/do, he they remains ineligible under the exception.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by SC Ump

For NFHS, this exception to the numbering requirements as noted in 7-2-5(b) might be the only time a snapper would not be allowed to be an eligable receiver:

The snapper is usually ineligible because he usually has a number between 50-79 and because he's not an end or back, either of which would render him ineligible.

I'm not sure why people confuse the numbering exception with the eligibility requirements. They are unrelated, other than the fact that a player in the game under the numbering exception is ineligible throughout the down.

ANY player who is eligible by number and position is eligible, including the snapper, on any scrimmage down including a try.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by SC Ump

For NFHS, this exception to the numbering requirements as noted in 7-2-5(b) might be the only time a snapper would not be allowed to be an eligable receiver:

1. On first, second or third down, when A sets or shifts into a scrimmage-kick formation as in 2-14-2a, the snapper may be a player numbered 1 to 49 or 80 to 99. If Team A has the snapper in the game under this exception, Team A shall have at least four players wearing numbers 50-79 on its line of scrimmage. The snapper in the game under this exception must be between the ends and is an ineligible forwardpass receiver during that down unless the pass is touched by B (7-5-6b).

I think this rule change is what confuses people into thinking the snapper can never be eligible. We had a lot of discussion in our area about it this year and people now think the exception rule needs to be clarified. It hasn't changed in the 12 years I've been officiating but adding this new 1st-3rd down sitaution has confused what people clearly understood previously.