False Start of Illegal Shift

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Rule change this year. 7-1-2-b-5 on page FR-67.

"The offensive team never coming to a one-second stop prior to the snap after the ball is ready for play."

Yep. Those rule changes will catch up to those who don't keep up with them. What kind of pie do you like mbcrowder, or how you like your crow cooked.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by wisref2

Well, actually it is if you want to help someone understand the rule rather than just answering a rule question by quoting the rule (if he understood the rule, he wouldn't be asking the question in the first place!).

Disagree. We don't teach people to understand the rule by teaching them concepts that have nothing to do with those in the rule. "Normally do" and "simulating action at the snap" are unrelated.

We teach people to understand the rule by using video, on-field training, and discussion to show them they types of play that do and do not fall under the prohibition of the rule. That way they learn to recognize "simulating action at the snap" and other concepts in the rules.

[Ia-Ref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Rule change this year. 7-1-2-b-5 on page FR-67.

"The offensive team never coming to a one-second stop prior to the snap after the ball is ready for play."

Must be a Texas thing. Not NFHS.

[bigjohn]

yeha, he said it was NCAA!

[APG]

Originally Posted by Ia-Ref

Must be a Texas thing. Not NFHS.

Texas uses NCAA rules for football.

[paxsonref]

Thanks for beating me to it Welpe......hmmm, looks like I DO have a clue after all....

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

Yep. Those rule changes will catch up to those who don't keep up with them. What kind of pie do you like mbcrowder, or how you like your crow cooked.

Pie, please. Apple if possible. I am not doing football this year for the first time in forever. So --- I apologize both for being wrong and for being kind of a jackwagon about it. <--- where's my emoticon for sheepish grin???

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Rule change this year. 7-1-2-b-5 on page FR-67.

"The offensive team never coming to a one-second stop prior to the snap after the ball is ready for play."

And the reason for this rule change was so a team scrambling to the ball in the final seconds but never getting set could be guilty of a foul that stops the clock and is subject to a 10-second reduction. Both of these are directly in response to the UNC-UT bowl game last year.

The side effect is the team that breaks the huddle and then snaps the ball before the wideout gets to his position is now a dead ball false start rather than a live ball illegal shift. That's a fair trade off.

[paxsonref]

No worries mb! We are all here to get better, and besides, I know better than to mess with Texas anyway!

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

And the reason for this rule change was so a team scrambling to the ball in the final seconds but never getting set could be guilty of a foul that stops the clock

Once the ball became dead, wouldn't you stop the clock (if necessary) to present the option to team B and enforce the penalty if chosen? So how does this change affect the status of the clock?

[Welpe]

Robert, the clock will stop to enforce the penalty but then it will be wound on the ready for play. One of the reasons this was done, as bison said, was to prevent Team A from unfairly scrambling to spike the ball. New this year also to NCAA, there is also a 10 second subtraction from the game clock in this case if there is less than a minute to go in the half and either team commits a foul that stops the clock.

We're not using the 10 second subtraction in Texas HS...yet.

[chymechowder]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Texas uses NCAA rules for football.

Massachusetts too.

so texas didn't take the 10 second subtraction, huh? Mass did. but with each side getting 5 timeouts per half, I dont imagine we'll be doing too many runoffs.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

so texas didn't take the 10 second subtraction, huh? Mass did. but with each side getting 5 timeouts per half, I dont imagine we'll be doing too many runoffs.

Nope, guess they decided it wasn't needed at the high school level since we're using the 2005 timing rules anyways.

5 timeouts?! Holy cow, why so many?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Welpe

New this year also to NCAA, there is also a 10 second subtraction from the game clock in this case if there is less than a minute to go in the half and either team commits a foul that stops the clock.

I can't believe they would want to enforce that against a team which is trying to consume time. Can the time deduction be declined?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I can't believe they would want to enforce that against a team which is trying to consume time. Can the time deduction be declined?

Yes, it can be declined. Just like in the NFL.