Taking a knee

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CT1

Then you should have said so.

Actually I did say so. I said this is what we do; I honestly do not care if others do something different or what justification they use. I made that clear very early and Rich said to follow the standards of your area in the first couple posts on this thread.

And most of all we have had this discussion many times before. No one is going to change the minds of others and I certainly am not trying to change other's minds.

Originally Posted by CT1

Before the snap.

Here's the Comment in it's entirety:

COMMENT: Football has been and always will be a game of deception and trickery involving multiple shifts, unusual formations and creative plays. However, actions or verbiage designed to confuse the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn’t imminent is beyond the scope of sportsmanship and is illegal.

For the record around here, they announce they are taking a knee. It happens in just about every game. The purpose is so they can end the game amicably and without incident or as little incident as possible.

Originally Posted by CT1

The OP's play was during a middle-school game. Unless it was in Texas or Massachussets, NCAA rules don't apply. FED has no such specific prohibition.

I realize what the game we were talking about. The point is multiple levels have made it clear that if they are taking a knee we are proactive in not letting things continue or get out of hand. If you and others do not do this, so be it. Why would anyone really care what you do that does not live in your area? Also a middle school game is often played around here under NF rules and philosophies, so what is expected at the HS level is applied to the middle school/Pop Warner/Bill George leagues. And I also never said we tell players that they cannot hit each other or play football. I said that it is known they will take a knee and we tell players to behave. No different than what umpires in my area tell defensive teams when there is a scrimmage kick. They tell them what they can do with the snapper and it is up to the players to either listen or get penalized.

Peace

[Rich]

If the QB tells me he's taking a knee, I guess we'll just have an IW when he fakes doing so. Shrug.

Again, this is regional. If every crew in your area says something, you should too. If every crew in your area doesn't say anything, neither should you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

If the QB tells me he's taking a knee, I guess we'll just have an IW when he fakes doing so. Shrug.

Again, this is regional. If every crew in your area says something, you should too. If every crew in your area doesn't say anything, neither should you.

+1

Peace

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Again, this is regional. If every crew in your area says something, you should too. If every crew in your area doesn't say anything, neither should you.

Apparently, some folks can't abide this kind of variability. :shrug:

[Reffing Rev.]

I hate resurrecting an old thread but

Last night 4th quarter A's up by 14 with 2 minutes to play and B is out of timeouts, 1st down near midfield...Victory formation...we decided this year in varsity games we're not saying anything unless our 35-point running clock rule is in effect in the 4th quarter and the game is 'practically' over. Snapper snaps the ball off the QB's knee and we ended up with a pile up under the center. B recovered and scored on the next play, onside kick nearly recovered, could have been a big moment if we had the defense 'relaxed.'

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

I hate resurrecting an old thread but

Last night 4th quarter A's up by 14 with 2 minutes to play and B is out of timeouts, 1st down near midfield...Victory formation...we decided this year in varsity games we're not saying anything unless our 35-point running clock rule is in effect in the 4th quarter and the game is 'practically' over. Snapper snaps the ball off the QB's knee and we ended up with a pile up under the center. B recovered and scored on the next play, onside kick nearly recovered, could have been a big moment if we had the defense 'relaxed.'

My question is why would they run the formation with 2 minutes to go? That is a lot of time even if you run the play properly.

Again, I do not recall anyone saying for the "defense" to relax. I really wish sometimes people would read what the opposition is rather than assuming what someone's position is.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My question is why would they run the formation with 2 minutes to go? That is a lot of time even if you run the play properly.

Hmmm... this happened in the NFL Sunday night game just last night. You can EASILY run 2 minutes off the clock with 3 knees... and even more easily so in NCAA than NFL... and more easily in FED than NCAA.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Hmmm... this happened in the NFL Sunday night game just last night. You can EASILY run 2 minutes off the clock with 3 knees... and even more easily so in NCAA than NFL... and more easily in FED than NCAA.

Doesn't NCAA and NFL have different rules?

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