foul in overtime

[ppaltice]

Scoring play is not the correct terminology, because there are a few ways you can score (TD, try, FG, and safety). Each have their on provisions for fouls that occur during the play.

The OP specified touchdown. On a foul by the defense that occurs during a TD, the penalty may be assessed on either the try or the subsequent kickoff. If the foul occurs during OT, there is no subsequent KO, so the penalty can only be assessed on the try (Rule 8-2-2).

If the penalty by the defense occurred during a successful try, A has the option of having the penalty assessed on the try and replaying or on the succeeding spot (which means it can carry over to the next series in OT) (Rule 8-3-5).

If the penalty by the defense occured during a successful FG, A has the option of having the penalty assessed from the previous spot and replaying the down or having the penalty assessed on the succeeding spot (next series in OT) (Rule 8-4-3).

No carryover provisions for penalties that occur during a safety (although quarter will not be extended for the kickoff).

Make sense? I think you are trying to bundle all scoring plays into one, and that is just not supported by rule.

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by ppaltice

Make sense? I think you are trying to bundle all scoring plays into one, and that is just not supported by rule.

Yes, it makes sense, and no, I wasn't trying to bundle all scoring plays into one. Like I posted earlier, I misunderstood your statement " The wording in Rule 8-2-2 is subsequent kickoff, which precludes its use in OT" to mean that you thought there was no carryover provision at all in OT. My bad! Sorry for causing all the confusion, but I was pretty sure, as you have mentioned, that there were certain times in OT when a team could "take the score and have the penalty applied at the succeeding spot," namely, the try. You confirmed that and explained it very well, thank you.

[whitehat]

I think the "suceeding spot" phrase is confusing some. I.E. the KO can be and is a "succeeding spot" so to speak in some cases.

If I understand the rule, once we are in OT nothing changes in terms of what can carry over to the next OT. That is, only fouls on try or FG during OT can be carried over to next OT series.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by whitehat

I think the "suceeding spot" phrase is confusing some. I.E. the KO can be and is a "succeeding spot" so to speak in some cases.

If I understand the rule, once we are in OT nothing changes in terms of what can carry over to the next OT. That is, only fouls on try or FG during OT can be carried over to next OT series.

Correct. That is how I understand it.

[RadioBlue]

Just so I'm crystal clear on this.

In the first series of overtime Team A scores and Team B is called for a facemask foul. Team A's options are: decline, assess on the PAT, or assess on Team B's series (which is the second half of the first overtime)?

However, if the same situation occurs during the second series of the first overtime the only options are declination or assessment on the PAT.

Do I understand this correctly?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Just so I'm crystal clear on this.

In the first series of overtime Team A scores and Team B is called for a facemask foul. Team A's options are: decline, assess on the PAT, or assess on Team B's series (which is the second half of the first overtime)?

However, if the same situation occurs during the second series of the first overtime the only options are declination or assessment on the PAT.

Do I understand this correctly?

Assuming that A's score is a TD, that sounds correct.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Assuming that A's score is a TD, that sounds correct.

Yes. In my scenario, A scores a TD.

Is it just me, or does this seem to tip the competitive balance in A's favor? Consider this scenario occuring in an overtime:

In the first series of the overtime, Team A scores a TD. On the scoring play, B commits DPI. Team A has 3 options and in this instance they choose to enforce the penalty at the beginning of Team B's overtime series. Team A is successful kicking for point and now lead by 7.

Now Team B is looking at 1st and goal from the 25 for their overtime series.

Let's say B is able to score a TD. On that scoring play, A is flagged for at 15-yard facemask. (I know Team A is usually the team on offense, but in order to keep things clear, I kept the original designations.) Team B is only afforded two options, correct? Decline, or enforce on the try since there is no guarantee of a 2nd overtime.

I'm just saying it seems a little unfair that Team A has the ability to back up their opponent for their overtime series, yet Team B doesn't have that same choice.

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Just so I'm crystal clear on this.

In the first series of overtime Team A scores and Team B is called for a facemask foul. Team A's options are: decline, assess on the PAT, or assess on Team B's series (which is the second half of the first overtime)?

However, if the same situation occurs during the second series of the first overtime the only options are declination or assessment on the PAT.

Do I understand this correctly?

Not according to what the others have posted. According to 8-2-2,&,3, the only options in either case are accept and replay,(dumb), decline, or assess on the PAT, because the wording specifically says, "subsequent kickoff" and there is no "subsequent kickoff" in OT.

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by BroKen62

Not according to what the others have posted. According to 8-2-2,&,3, the only options in either case are accept and replay,(dumb), decline, or assess on the PAT, because the wording specifically says, "subsequent kickoff" and there is no "subsequent kickoff" in OT.

Exactly. You can only enforce a defensive foul during an OT TD on the try because you can't enforce it on the subsequent kickoff.

You can enforce a foul during an OT FG to the succeeding spot which would be where the defense next snaps the ball. So it could be 1st and goal from the 15 or 20 or 25 or worse when B becomes A (depending on your state's OT rules).

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Just so I'm crystal clear on this.

In the first series of overtime Team A scores and Team B is called for a facemask foul. Team A's options are: decline, assess on the PAT, or assess on Team B's series (which is the second half of the first overtime)?

However, if the same situation occurs during the second series of the first overtime the only options are declination or assessment on the PAT.

Do I understand this correctly?

No only if A's score was a FG, not a TD... and no, this doesn't favor any team --- the team that goes first in the first "inning" goes last in the second.

[RadioBlue]

Okay. Pardon my confusion and accept my thanks for helping me clear this up.

In OT, a penalty by the defense on a TD can NEVER be assessed on the ensuing series. Is that a true statement?