Reporting Penalties

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JRod37

Everyone seems to do this differently. How do you report penalties to your white hat? What information do you give them? White hats: what information do you want?

I usually tell that R that Johnny interfered with Sam.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I usually tell that R that Johnny interfered with Sam.

LOL In all seriousness:

CANADIAN MECHANIC:

We use CINS or TINS

Colour or Team, Infraction, Number, Status of the Play

Examples:

- "White, Holding, # 69, the play was an incomplete pass."
- "Black, No Yards - 15 yard variety, #20, the gain was 20."
- "Blue, Holding, #85, yards were gained, PBH is the B-40."
- "Defense, Offside, #11, the penalty will result in a first down*."

* The HL must know that the LS is past the halfway point along the chains.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

LOL In all seriousness:

CANADIAN MECHANIC:

We use CINS or TINS

Colour or Team, Infraction, Number, Status of the Play

You know, Jug, whenever I see you post the "Canadian Ruling" I can't help wondering what you guys are doing with that missing down from every series. Do you think they're like coupons or something, if you save enough of them we'll let you use them to buy something from us?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You know, Jug, whenever I see you post the "Canadian Ruling" I can't help wondering what you guys are doing with that missing down from every series. Do you think they're like coupons or something, if you save enough of them we'll let you use them to buy something from us?

In our games we have enough punts as it is. I could only imagine how many we'd have if we only had 3 downs.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

In our games we have enough punts as it is. I could only imagine how many we'd have if we only had 3 downs.

I'd love to see numbers comparing the two. Our field of playlayer ratio is 22% larger than yours, so we should have more open room to complete passes.

But like any sport, catching is fundamental.

[wwcfoa43]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You know, Jug, whenever I see you post the "Canadian Ruling" I can't help wondering what you guys are doing with that missing down from every series. Do you think they're like coupons or something, if you save enough of them we'll let you use them to buy something from us?

The teams get the coupons but unfortunately have to use them up in order to send out the 12th player.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You know, Jug, whenever I see you post the "Canadian Ruling" I can't help wondering what you guys are doing with that missing down from every series. Do you think they're like coupons or something, if you save enough of them we'll let you use them to buy something from us?

I was once on a crew where we allowed a team to cash in a coupon. It was ~ 2001 and some youth leagues do play 4 down football. So we went with the 5th down. We disguised is as a repeated 3rd down after an incomplete pass. The silly downsbox guy forget to bring his "5" with him - you know, to snap in place in downsbox, so we had to do something.

Luckily, that's the only time this has ever happened to me.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

* The HL must know that the LS is past the halfway point along the chains.

Our linesman always lets me know whether "five will get you one" or not when the box is close to the tape on the chain. It's routine for us and should be for all crews. Our linesman measures the chains for every game at every level and always puts fresh tape on the chain.

The only time I've ever wondered if there was a good way to use the chains to measure was when we had a PF on a play that ended just about 15 yards short of a first down. In the end I eyed it up and it appeared to get the first down by about half-a-yard and that's the way we rolled with it (although in the back of my head I wondered if everyone simply thought we enforced it as an AFD).

I don't have a strict reporting requirement for my crew -- I have preferences, though -- I really prefer they say "offense" or "defense" or "kicking team" or "receivers." I'm not fond of shirt colors. Personally, I don't care if I get a shirt number, although it's part of the sequence so we can get the number to the sideline. If the official doesn't have a number, but has a position, that's OK. Saying left tackle to me is better than giving the wrong number. Like Jeff said, if a hand comes up and twists a face mask and we don't get a number, it doesn't really bother me -- it's not like not getting the number doesn't mean the foul didn't exist.

I also prefer holding and DPI to be described (arm bar, hook and turn, tackle, bear hug) so we can take that information to the sideline.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Our linesman always lets me know whether "five will get you one" or not when the box is close to the tape on the chain. It's routine for us and should be for all crews. Our linesman measures the chains for every game at every level and always puts fresh tape on the chain.

The only time I've ever wondered if there was a good way to use the chains to measure was when we had a PF on a play that ended just about 15 yards short of a first down. In the end I eyed it up and it appeared to get the first down by about half-a-yard and that's the way we rolled with it (although in the back of my head I wondered if everyone simply thought we enforced it as an AFD).

I don't have a strict reporting requirement for my crew -- I have preferences, though -- I really prefer they say "offense" or "defense" or "kicking team" or "receivers." I'm not fond of shirt colors. Personally, I don't care if I get a shirt number, although it's part of the sequence so we can get the number to the sideline. If the official doesn't have a number, but has a position, that's OK. Saying left tackle to me is better than giving the wrong number. Like Jeff said, if a hand comes up and twists a face mask and we don't get a number, it doesn't really bother me -- it's not like not getting the number doesn't mean the foul didn't exist.

I also prefer holding and DPI to be described (arm bar, hook and turn, tackle, bear hug) so we can take that information to the sideline.

It is for too for my local crew, but not every official is efficient at reporting this. Because the situation happens so rarely (the box being close to the tape and a B foul happens), some officials forget this mechanic.

All you would need to do is spin the front stick around to become the back stick, and execute the "Reverse Measurement". I'm sure I don't need to lay out these mechanics.

For those newbies: pivoting around the back stick, move the LTG stick to be 10 yards behind the back stick. Then bring in the sticks and if the mid-tape is behind the new "back stick", no 1D on the PF. Otherwise, it is a 1D on the PF.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

It is for too for my local crew, but not every official is efficient at reporting this. Because the situation happens so rarely (the box being close to the tape and a B foul happens), some officials forget this mechanic.

All you would need to do is spin the front stick around to become the back stick, and execute the "Reverse Measurement". I'm sure I don't need to lay out these mechanics.

For those newbies: pivoting around the back stick, move the LTG stick to be 10 yards behind the back stick. Then bring in the sticks and if the mid-tape is behind the new "back stick", no 1D on the PF. Otherwise, it is a 1D on the PF.

I almost did this, but our chain crews would probably lose 2 of the 3 (or 4) members due to their brains exploding. Fortunately, I was able to ascertain that it was a first down without any histrionics.