Reporting Penalties

[JRod37]

Everyone seems to do this differently. How do you report penalties to your white hat? What information do you give them? White hats: what information do you want?

[Mike L]

Who, what, when, where.

And you should be able to describe what he did.

"He held him" is pretty lame. "He grabbed the back of the shoulder and turned him at the point of attack" is what you should be able to describe.

[bisonlj]

Result of the play is important. Beause the R is focused on the QB or kicker they often don't know the result of the play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mike L

Who, what, when, where.

And you should be able to describe what he did.

Is there any other way to do this? Now what you say in that "Who, What, Where and When" is up to the Referee. And the "When" for me is also includes the status or result of the play and clock status.

Peace

[Reffing Rev.]

Who: Team and Number (If you can't get me a number then you didn't see enough of the play to throw a flag)
What: Foul (including distance penalty)
When: Before the pass, after the play, etc.
Where: Where did the foul happen and where is our enforcement spot.

Finally what is the clock status?

[HLin NC]

Foul -"holding"
Live or Dead
Offender - "21, green, offense"
Location- "At my flag" or "On the 20",

After the U and R talk, U and I will synch up our penalty distance

[With_Two_Flakes]

Gimme the number of the kid that fouled last. It doesn't help me start the enforcement process in my head, whereas all the other info does.

Make sure you (or someone) tells me the result of the play. If I'm doing my job of watching the kicker or passer, I'll likely have no clue it was intercepted, incomplete, touched by R and recovered by K, etc etc. Nothing hacks off a white hat more than his crew letting him give options and signals for an accepted penalty and only then does someone pipe up and say "Won't they want to decline that and keep the interception?"

You don't necessarily have to have thrown a flag to be in the conversation. You may have seen the ball tipped at the line so there is no Pass Int foul after all. You may be drawing my attention to the fact that time expired, so the Offensive captain may prefer to take the offside and an untimed down rather than the yards they made.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Who: Team and Number (If you can't get me a number then you didn't see enough of the play to throw a flag)

Are you a coach? Cause, quite frankly, I think only coaches believe this nonsense.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Are you a coach? Cause, quite frankly, I think only coaches believe this nonsense.

Unfortunately there are a lot of officials that believe in that crap too. Now sure why. For example if there is a facemask call there are people that believe we are supposed to know who specifically in the pile grabbed the mask when there might be multiple hands to determine between all the same color jerseys.

We worry too much about what coaches think.

Peace

[Reffing Rev.]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Are you a coach? Cause, quite frankly, I think only coaches believe this nonsense.

No, I'm not a coach, never have been, can't stand them.

But I do firmly believe that if an official can't tell me who was holding, blocked in the back, or committed pass interference, that he may have guessed he saw a foul based on seeing half a play, the coaches or fans reactions, or his own anticipation.

You tell me why an official should be excused from getting a number?

I've never heard an official with a mic say, "Holding, someone on white, 10 yards," because officials as you move up the ladder, get numbers. I want my crew to get numbers.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Who: Team and Number (If you can't get me a number then you didn't see enough of the play to throw a flag)
What: Foul (including distance penalty)
When: Before the pass, after the play, etc.
Where: Where did the foul happen and where is our enforcement spot.

Finally what is the clock status?

Does this also apply to facemask?

[ajmc]

One size NEVER fits all, and if you're looking for absolutes and "silver bullets", football is a bad place to be looking. Perhaps the closest thing to really consistant is the lurking presence of the unexpected.

[jaybird]

Originally Posted by JRod37

How do you report penalties to your white hat?

We don't. Fouls are reported.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JRod37

Everyone seems to do this differently. How do you report penalties to your white hat? What information do you give them? White hats: what information do you want?

I usually tell that R that Johnny interfered with Sam.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I usually tell that R that Johnny interfered with Sam.

LOL In all seriousness:

CANADIAN MECHANIC:

We use CINS or TINS

Colour or Team, Infraction, Number, Status of the Play

Examples:

- "White, Holding, # 69, the play was an incomplete pass."
- "Black, No Yards - 15 yard variety, #20, the gain was 20."
- "Blue, Holding, #85, yards were gained, PBH is the B-40."
- "Defense, Offside, #11, the penalty will result in a first down*."

* The HL must know that the LS is past the halfway point along the chains.