Spot enforcement

[gene2112]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's considered a loose ball play if the fumble is behind the line of scrimmage -- the basic spot is the previous spot (this is why we don't bag fumbles behind the line of scrimmage).

It's considered a running play if the fumble is beyond the line of scrimmage -- the basic spot is then the end of the associated run.

I know this is confusing if you're not used to enforcing these. There's a great breakdown of this in the Redding Guide, BTW. Best money you'll ever spend -- I bought 5 of them this year, one for each member of my crew.

Very well stated and correct on all counts, including the invaluable info in the Redding Guide.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbyron

So if you have a pass followed by a fumble followed by a backward pass, it's all one big loose ball play until the last loose ball is caught or recovered. The basic spot for a foul during any of that action would be the previous spot.

One quibble. The forward pass and action before it would be a loose ball play. Once the pass is completed, a running play begins. If there is a subsequent fumble beyond the neutral zone, then that fumble is part of the related run. If that fumble is recovered, we have the start of another running play.

If you have a foul during a loose ball after a fumble beyond the NZ, then the basic spot is the end of the related run.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

No, it would be previous spot because the face mask is considered to have happened during a loose ball play. Remember on a loose ball play, all action prior to it becoming a loose ball play is considered to be a part of the play. Same thing if you were to have something like defensive holding on a receiver before a forward pass is thrown.

(Quoting you, but talking to the OP) :

Same thing if the A player was to escape the "tackle" and throw a pass. It would be a loose ball play and the basic spot is the previous spot.

The best thing that could happen here for A would be to fumble the ball on this play and therefore the basic spot would be the previous spot. It's why I think the AB1 enforcement on a play like this is misguided. B benefits from illegally tackling A by a helmet opening or facemask.