Ariz/GB fumble

[bigjohn]

he has a 2 fingers hooked (grasping) and he pulls Rodgers helmet down and to the right, down and to the right. If you are into conspiracy theories(or Seinfeld) you will get that.

The rule says twist turn or pull. You are saying that the QB heard wasn't turned?


The NFL rulebook states that "no player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction." If they do, it is a 15-yard personal foul, as the league eliminated its 5-yard incidental facemask penalty before the 2008 season, meaning that minor infractions were not to be called and leaving officials to decide if an incident in which a player grabs an opponent's facemask is worthy of a 15-yard personal foul.


The NFL official with 20 years experience says you are wrong.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

The NFL official with 20 years experience says you are wrong.

This official with 27 years experience says go troll the other board.

[bigjohn]

Oh, I see, anyone that has a difference of opinion is a TROLL! Gotcha!

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Oh, I see, anyone that has a difference of opinion is a TROLL! Gotcha!

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're a Packer fan bigjohn. And you're looking for confirmation that you and your buddies "got screwed."

This is an officiating board. We gather the facts, evaluate them, then give our opinions/evaluations of the situation. We are here to learn from eachother and get better as officials. Most importantly we leave emotion out of it. You should too or go find a Packer Backer board to whine on.

[Adam]

Even if they missed a FM call, so what? Your boys were about to punt away to a red-hot Cardinal offense.

When the NFL says the call was missed, I'll buy it; but not when a retired official says it.

[bigjohn]

I am a packers fan and well aware that A Rodgers should have hit Jennings for the game winning TD and we all know it. It is also very clear that the R missed the call that would have given the Packers another chance to win the game. With some of the missed calls earlier it sure makes one wonder why it kept happening. The R missed at least 3 major PFs on the Packer QB but called a holding foul instead. More than one OPI missed as well.

So even though the Packers could have won and didn't the officials are still accountable for the poorly called game. One of the greatest games ever BTW.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

I am a packers fan and well aware that A Rodgers should have hit Jennings for the game winning TD and we all know it. It is also very clear that the R missed the call that would have given the Packers another chance to win the game. With some of the missed calls earlier it sure makes one wonder why it kept happening. The R missed at least 3 major PFs on the Packer QB but called a holding foul instead. More than one OPI missed as well.

So even though the Packers could have won and didn't the officials are still accountable for the poorly called game. One of the greatest games ever BTW.

Carl Gerbschmidt, is that you?

It was a conspiracy, you're right. Are you even an official? Why do you waste your (and everyone else's) time on this board?

[Trap]

One thing i've learned, never come to an officials website to complain or discuss an official missing a call. A vast majority of officials will never admit an official missed a call. This is obvious, there was a facemask, and regardless in the NFL hands to the face/head of a QB is an automatic roughing penalty. So there is a penalty there.

But the explaination I've heard is once there is a fumble the officials attention goes to the ball and watching to see what happens to it. So it is very logical and understandable that he would not see the penalty.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Are you even an official?

Nope. Try an assistant coach.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Oh, I see, anyone that has a difference of opinion is a TROLL! Gotcha!

Anyone ??

Nope... just you.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

The NFL official with 20 years experience says you are wrong.

You mean FORMER NFL official. There may be a reason he may be former. I'd rather trust a CURRENT NFL official. Plus, don't believe everything you read. Officials have been misquoted in the past and chances are Carollo didn't say any of that.

[HLin NC]

You mean FORMER NFL official. There may be a reason he may be former. I'd rather trust a CURRENT NFL official.

This is a bit disingenuous don't you think? I dare say if the current Big 10 supervisor/former NFL official came to your clinic or evaluated a game you worked, you'd be tickled pink.

Maybe the WH blew it, maybe he didn't. We all get told every Friday and/or Saturday night we missed a call and we stand by our decision. Later, we get a chance to run through it mentally, or better yet, see video, and come to a different conclusion.

bigjohn has his tangents but I don't think he's off the mark here. The possible helmet to helmet on Rogers, the replay angle I saw it appeared the R was focused on the hold. The facemask sure looks like it was pulled to me.
I'm neither a Packer nor Cardinal fan. My team's QB should have been benched by week 2.

Mike P will be answering it all in about 20 minutes

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

This is a bit disingenuous don't you think? I dare say if the current Big 10 supervisor/former NFL official came to your clinic or evaluated a game you worked, you'd be tickled pink.

I will put it this way. He is not a current NFL evaluator. Which means he might not be up on the current or every changing interpretation in the NFL? People that have been away are not always privy to those changes or the current philosophies. The NFL has changed many times over in the last several years. And unless he is aware of those changes his opinion is not any more relevant than the people that work in the NFL currently.

And Big John has a history of taking something he does not understand and running with it. Officials do make mistakes, but it does not appear they did here based on what I have seen all year being called and not called. I have seen many plays like this not called at all and I can live with it. Packer fans just are looking for an excuse to say they did not win while they gave up 45 points and the Cardinals let them back in the game to even have a chance to win. Someone has to be the blame for that and officials are easy scapegoats.

Peace

[TXMike]

Victoria Advocate | Packers' McCarthy not blaming loss to Cardinals on officiating

NFL director of officiating Mike Pereira said in his weekly review on NFL Network that he supported referee Scott Green's call because there was no blatant twisting of the facemask. He said this kind of grab clearly falls under the incidental facemask penalty that was eliminated this season.

"Well he's got a finger, he's got a finger hooked on the mask," Pereira said. "It's a tough play, but it really is one of those where you don't get the big look that you got on the other facemasks of the clear and obvious pull, or the clear and obvious twist."

Pereira also said he consulted with Green and the replay officials and they did not think the "tuck rule" would have been invoked if the ball had hit the ground before Dansby caught it in mid-air. He said the call on the field of a fumble would have stood.

[JRutledge]

Good enough for me.

Peace