Black Pants

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Larry0405

Am wondering if New Jersey is the only state where we wear the black NFL style pants with the white stripe in inclement or cold weather?

Nope. We were allowed to wear them in Illinois. My crew had those most of the season as most of the games in the season it was either cold or raining before and during many games. We loved them and there were a couple of crews that wore them for the State Finals. We would have probably done the same if they were allowed a year earlier.

Peace

[stevegarbs]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Nope. We were allowed to wear them in Illinois. My crew had those most of the season as most of the games in the season it was either cold or raining before and during many games. We loved them and there were a couple of crews that wore them for the State Finals. We would have probably done the same if they were allowed a year earlier.

Peace

Actually, Rut, 4 of the 8 Illinois finals crews went with the black pants. I was so hoping for a majority vote so I could convince the hold outs on our crew to get them for next season!

[johnSandlin]

We can wear them in Michigan.

[DeepWing55]

PA has approved them as well. These pants are a joke when guys wear them in this area of the country. Seriously, we have guys wearing them on 50 degree nights. And personally I don't think they look as tailored as the white knickers. Our crew worked the last weekend of November and the temps at nighttime were in the low 40s. Again, not cold enough to wear those pants.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DeepWing55

PA has approved them as well. These pants are a joke when guys wear them in this area of the country. Seriously, we have guys wearing them on 50 degree nights. And personally I don't think they look as tailored as the white knickers. Our crew worked the last weekend of November and the temps at nighttime were in the low 40s. Again, not cold enough to wear those pants.

Who gets to decide if it's "not cold enough?"

If these are approved, I may never wear my knickers with long sleeves again.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Who gets to decide if it's "not cold enough?"

If these are approved, I may never wear my knickers with long sleeves again.

I am going to wear them if it rains also...even if it is 75 degrees outside.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Who gets to decide if it's "not cold enough?"

If these are approved, I may never wear my knickers with long sleeves again.

Take it for what it's worth, and I don't know how inclement the weather is where the rest of you work, but every crew that I've talked to in WI has echoed the same sentiments as Rich regarding the white knickers. I've said it all along...why football officials wear white pants when almost every other sport wears dark pants is beyond me...even indoor sports. I know it's a visual thing and traditional to a degree, but I doubt that you'll get any arguments in saying that a good crew with alot of hustle will leave any game they do in soiled white knickers. I did the youth state championship game last year on the new "field turf" and left with stains on my whities. Add to that, the socks (and yes, stirrups) issue is now a moot point, as well. Black socks are the norm to go with the black pants get-up, from what I've been told.

Like 'em or hate 'em....they're here to stay. I'm curious "GoodwillRef"...was this the final vote that you heard about today, or just delayed news...? My WIAA bulletin from over a week ago mentioned the approval of the blackies. Just wondering if there was still some doubt as of this morning.

I've looked at both and can tell you that the Gerry Davis pants are slightly superior to the Honig's...IMO (sorry, Dick)

http://www.gerrydavis.com/mm5/catego.../F08PF12827200

http://www.honigs.com/sub/32/P27

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Take it for what it's worth, and I don't know how inclement the weather is where the rest of you work, but every crew that I've talked to in WI has echoed the same sentiments as Rich regarding the white knickers. I've said it all along...why football officials wear white pants when almost every other sport wears dark pants is beyond me...even indoor sports. I know it's a visual thing and traditional to a degree, but I doubt that you'll get any arguments in saying that a good crew with alot of hustle will leave any game they do in soiled white knickers. I did the youth state championship game last year on the new "field turf" and left with stains on my whities. Add to that, the socks (and yes, stirrups) issue is now a moot point, as well. Black socks are the norm to go with the black pants get-up, from what I've been told.

Like 'em or hate 'em....they're here to stay. I'm curious "GoodwillRef"...was this the final vote that you heard about today, or just delayed news...? My WIAA bulletin from over a week ago mentioned the approval of the blackies. Just wondering if there was still some doubt as of this morning.

I've looked at both and can tell you that the Gerry Davis pants are slightly superior to the Honig's...IMO (sorry, Dick)

Gerry Davis Sports: Davis Black Football Pants

Honig's Whistle Stop - P27 -Honig's Foul Weather Alternate Football Pants-

The last hurdle was the NFHS approving them as a uniform option. That's now done.

Depending on how hot these are, I may try them with short sleeves unless I'm told otherwise. I *despise* knickers. And my crew does not wear shorts, ever.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

I've looked at both and can tell you that the Gerry Davis pants are slightly superior to the Honig's...IMO (sorry, Dick)

Gerry Davis Sports: Davis Black Football Pants

Honig's Whistle Stop - P27 -Honig's Foul Weather Alternate Football Pants-

Not even close. At least not if you are looking at pictures. The Honigs brand have a better belt area and are much more fabric on them. I have to disagree having seen both pair up close and wearing the Honigs all year.

Peace

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Take it for what it's worth, and I don't know how inclement the weather is where the rest of you work, but every crew that I've talked to in WI has echoed the same sentiments as Rich regarding the white knickers. I've said it all along...why football officials wear white pants when almost every other sport wears dark pants is beyond me...even indoor sports. I know it's a visual thing and traditional to a degree, but I doubt that you'll get any arguments in saying that a good crew with alot of hustle will leave any game they do in soiled white knickers. I did the youth state championship game last year on the new "field turf" and left with stains on my whities. Add to that, the socks (and yes, stirrups) issue is now a moot point, as well. Black socks are the norm to go with the black pants get-up, from what I've been told.

Like 'em or hate 'em....they're here to stay. I'm curious "GoodwillRef"...was this the final vote that you heard about today, or just delayed news...? My WIAA bulletin from over a week ago mentioned the approval of the blackies. Just wondering if there was still some doubt as of this morning.

I've looked at both and can tell you that the Gerry Davis pants are slightly superior to the Honig's...IMO (sorry, Dick)

Gerry Davis Sports: Davis Black Football Pants

Honig's Whistle Stop - P27 -Honig's Foul Weather Alternate Football Pants-

The following recommendation from our meeting on December 2, 2009 has gone before the WIAA Executive Staff, Sports Advisory Committee, Advisory Council and Board of Control. Action taken is noted after the recommendation.

Football officials would be allowed to wear approved black with white stripe cold weather pants for all levels of competition instead of the white knickers. All members of the crew would need to be dressed the same.

Sports Advisory = Yes 13-0
Executive Staff = Yes * amending recommendation to say if approved by NFHS Advisory Council = Yes 17-0 with staff¹s amendment Board of Control = Yes 10-0 with staff¹s amendment

The NFHS football rules writing committee has approved allowing the use of all-weather pants and this will now be included in football rules books.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DeepWing55

Our crew worked the last weekend of November and the temps at nighttime were in the low 40s. Again, not cold enough to wear those pants.

Unless your state dictates this too, the pants are mainly designed for bad weather conditions. If it rains, the pants keep you dry. And if you have muddy conditions on the field, you do not look like you have mud all over your white pants. We had about 2 or 3 games this year where it rained almost the entire game and I did not get wet at all on my legs underneath the pants like I would with normal knickers.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unless your state dictates this too, the pants are mainly designed for bad weather conditions. If it rains, the pants keep you dry. And if you have muddy conditions on the field, you do not look like you have mud all over your white pants. We had about 2 or 3 games this year where it rained almost the entire game and I did not get wet at all on my legs underneath the pants like I would with normal knickers.

Peace

And unless the state dictates where and when they can be worn, crews could theoretically retire their knickers entirely. Don't know how warm the pants would be in early September, though.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

And unless the state dictates where and when they can be worn, crews could theoretically retire their knickers entirely. Don't know how warm the pants would be in early September, though.

Of course.

We were told they were for cold and bad weather. In other words, if we are wearing long sleeves, we are wearing these pants likely. But we have not been told when or how to wear them specifically and this is a crew decision. I guess we could wear them in September, but we have not been put in that position yet. Stay tuned.

Peace

[spartan11]

Michigan used black pants last year.

[golfnref]

Honigs and Gerry Davis black pants have been discussed quite a bit. Anyone have any experience with Purchase Officials or Get Official pants?