Interesting KO situation (NFHS)

[ppaltice]

Field is very muddy. Team K is lined up to KO from their 40 yard line. As K1 approaches the ball, he slips and slides into the ball. Ball goes about 2 yards and K2 falls on the ball at K43 yard line. BJ blows the whistle.

What do you have (NFHS rules)?

[bigjohn]

Since the ball was never KICKED it is encroachment. Unless the kicker was the only one to cross the free kick line. Then it would be a plain do over just like the ball fell off the tee.


ART. 3 . . . After the ball is marked ready for play and until it is kicked, no player,
other than the kicker and the holder for a place kick may be beyond his freekick
line.

[bigjohn]

unless the ball was struck with the lower leg. Then it is first touching, Rs ball.


SECTION 24 KICKS
ART. 1 . . . A kick is the intentional striking of the ball with the knee, lower leg
or foot.

[Bullycon]

Encroachment. A free kick must be a legal kick. (2-24-3) A legal kick is intentional. (2-24-1) Sliding into a ball is not intentional. A kicker is a player who makes a legal kick. A legal kick was not made. Therefore, the would-be kicker has encroached. (6-1-3)

Technically, anyway. I'd probably just reset the play clock and re-kick.

[DocLogic]

Blow it dead and give the kicker a do over.

No penalty...... a little common sense should take priority over an encroachment penalty.

[bigjohn]

bully, can you call encroachment on the kicker? not by rule. I POSTED 6-1-3 ABOVE

ART. 3 . . . After the ball is marked ready for play and until it is kicked, no player,
other than the kicker and the holder for a place kick may be beyond his freekick
line.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

bully, can you call encroachment on the kicker? not by rule. I POSTED 6-1-3 ABOVE

ART. 3 . . . After the ball is marked ready for play and until it is kicked, no player,
other than the kicker and the holder for a place kick may be beyond his freekick
line.

Yes, it's possible for the kicker to encroach. The exception here allows the kicker to step into the NZ as he kicks the ball without encroaching. If he otherwise enters the NZ that would be encroachment.

[bigjohn]

you gotta rule or casebook play?

OK, I get it, he didn't kick the ball so he is not the KICKER!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

you gotta rule or casebook play?

OK, I get it, he didn't kick the ball so he is not the KICKER!

NOW you're thinking like an official.

[bigjohn]

ouch!

[ppaltice]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

bully, can you call encroachment on the kicker? not by rule. I POSTED 6-1-3 ABOVE

ART. 3 . . . After the ball is marked ready for play and until it is kicked, no player,
other than the kicker and the holder for a place kick may be beyond his freekick
line.

That is a good question and that was brought up by one of the officials.

The answer is no, you cannot have encroachment on the kicker. But, in this case, we did not have a kicker. K1 wanted to be the kicker, but he never kicked the ball.

So, I believe the correct ruling on the play is encroachment by K, 5yards and rekick.

This was Pop Warner level, so we just did a rekick with no penalty (and no complaints).

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Bullycon

A legal kick is intentional. (2-24-1) Sliding into a ball is not intentional.

I'm not sure about that. The player did initially intend to kick the ball. How long before contacting it must the player's intention have changed? It could very well be just a kick with bad form. Hmmm...a lot like deciding whether a baseball batter checked a swing or offered at the ball.

[Bullycon]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I'm not sure about that. The player did initially intend to kick the ball. How long before contacting it must the player's intention have changed? It could very well be just a kick with bad form. Hmmm...a lot like deciding whether a baseball batter checked a swing or offered at the ball.

Judgment call. If he slips just after his plant foot hits the ground, causing an off-balance kick, I can see that being a legal free kick. If he slips down before then and slides into the ball, I have no kick.

I wonder if there is any instructional film on this. It'd be nice to have an official philosophy to use on this.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Bullycon

Judgment call. If he slips just after his plant foot hits the ground, causing an off-balance kick, I can see that being a legal free kick. If he slips down before then and slides into the ball, I have no kick.

I wonder if there is any instructional film on this. It'd be nice to have an official philosophy to use on this.

I think you nailed it with your first two words, "judgment call". That's what we get paid for, that's why we're there. The current official philosophy is, "make the call".