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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 09:32am
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Mandatory warm-up period

Wisconsin is saying that the mandatory 3-minute warm-up period must be held. If a team is late getting back, you penalize them, and re-set the clock to 3:00. This is in conflict with the rule that now says the 3:00 starts immediately after intermission. Please - no opinions. Does anyone have casebook, NFHS interpretations, etc. that address this point?
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 09:56am
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I don't have my casebook with me, but I'm pretty sure the "three minute warmup starting immediately after the 15 minute halftime ends" is in there somewhere.

The Minnesota interpretation is that it's the coach's responsibility to get his team back on the field with sufficient warm-up time... and if he does not do so, the liability rests with him rather then with the officiating crew. The coach will be penalized for not having his team back on the field, but the clock will not be reset to 3:00.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 10:12am
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Iowa and Nebraska have the same ruling as Minnesota, coach must have the team back on the field before the half ends and the warm-up period starts. No resetting of the clock.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 11:01am
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Kansas - clock does NOT reset.

Coach is responsible for team to be on the field prior to warm-up period. "On the field" has been determined to be inside the track or where the track would be.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 11:08am
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9-8-1-g states:
No coach, substitute, athletic trainer or other team attendant shall
act in an unsportsmanlike manner once the officials assume authority for the contest.
Examples are, but not limited to:
The failure of a team to:
1. Be ready to start the first half; and
2. Be on the field following the conclusion of the halftime intermission; or
3. Be ready to start the second half at the conclusion of the mandatory
warm-up period.
Points 1, 2 & 3 are all new this year. In Table 3-1 (TABLE OF GAME CLOCK TIMES) it is stated:
Mandatory Warm-up Period Following Intermission: 3 minutes
(The game officials are responsible for ensuring that there is a
three-minute warm-up period posted on the clock and the clock
immediately started for use by the coaches immediately after the
halftime intermission expires. The head coach is responsible for his
team being on the field for mandatory warm-up time at the end
of the scheduled halftime intermission.)
Hope that helps.
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Old Tue Oct 27, 2009, 11:53am
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Related question: Can the "mandatory" 3 min. warm-up time be dropped "by the Home coaches"?? In our game Friday night, we got to the field with about 1 min. left on the intermission clock. The crew grabbed captains, and I told the rest of the guys to start the warm-up routine. One of the officials told us we didn't have the three min. because the home coach said his team was ready to go and didn't need it. Since we were up big and it was going to be running clock the whole half, we didn't fuss - but it worried me.
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Old Wed Oct 28, 2009, 09:26am
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After having this happen in our second game this year, our referee emailed Wade Labecki at Stevens Point. We were directed that the three minutes are to be put on the clock immediately after halftime ends and the clock started. Flag the offending team. When they do show up, reset the clock to 3 minutes and restart it.
That's the way Wisconsin wants it done.
FYI
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Old Wed Oct 28, 2009, 10:00am
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After having this happen in our second game this year, our referee emailed Wade Labecki at Stevens Point. We were directed that the three minutes are to be put on the clock immediately after halftime ends and the clock started. Flag the offending team. When they do show up, reset the clock to 3 minutes and restart it.
That's the way Wisconsin wants it done.
FYI
Wow, this could lead to some abuses by the coaches, if they knew they could get away with extending halftime.
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Old Thu Oct 29, 2009, 01:49pm
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After having this happen in our second game this year, our referee emailed Wade Labecki at Stevens Point. We were directed that the three minutes are to be put on the clock immediately after halftime ends and the clock started. Flag the offending team. When they do show up, reset the clock to 3 minutes and restart it.That's the way Wisconsin wants it done. FYI
I understand, and agree, the 3 minute warm up time should be put on the clock immediately after the conclusion of the intermission. I'm confused by starting that clock to run down before both teams are back on the field.

If one team is late, they earn a penalty, but they are still entitled to a full 3 minutes warm-up period (whether that wish to use it properly, or not). If you start the warm up before the second team comes back, and at some time thereafter, when the 2nd team does return, start another 3 minute warm up, you're throwing the timing off for the team who came back properly, on time.

If the offending team came back 5 minutes late, you'd be giving the offended team two options; warm up for 8 minutes, or cool down for an additional 5 minutes after they finished their original 3 minute warm up. If you hold the warm up clock until both teams are ready to participate, apart from the issue of who fouls, both teams get 3 full minutes to warm up immediately before starting the 2nd half.
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Old Thu Oct 29, 2009, 01:58pm
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Sounds like the FED needs to put out a ruling or tweak the wording on this rule. Many different interpretations as to when to wind the clock, holding for a team that hasn't returned, etc.
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Old Thu Oct 29, 2009, 03:00pm
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Sounds like the FED needs to put out a ruling or tweak the wording on this rule. Many different interpretations as to when to wind the clock, holding for a team that hasn't returned, etc.
Actually, I suspect that NFHS likes it that way. Some things they intend to leave to the states.
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Old Thu Oct 29, 2009, 06:30pm
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Actually, I suspect that NFHS likes it that way. Some things they intend to leave to the states.
And open us officials up to liability.
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Old Fri Oct 30, 2009, 05:09pm
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Sounds like the FED needs to put out a ruling or tweak the wording on this rule. Many different interpretations as to when to wind the clock, holding for a team that hasn't returned, etc.
I don't understand the confusion over this. Table 3-1 was changed this year to address the confusion over whether or not the clock should be run if one or both teams were not on the field.

The game officials are responsible for ensuring that there is a three-minute warm-up period posted on the clock and the clock immediately started for use by the coaches immediately after the halftime intermission expires. The head coach is responsible for his team being on the field for mandatory warm-up time at the end of the scheduled halftime intermission.

What would you tweak?

Post the three minutes and run it - that's the NFHS position.

It doesn't say post the 3 minutes at the end of the intermission, ensure both teams are present and start the clock. It says post the 3 minutes at the end of intermission and immediately start the clock. If your state wants to do something else, that's their prerogative, but let's not pretend there is ambiguity in what the NFHS wants done.
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Old Fri Oct 30, 2009, 05:43pm
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I don't understand the confusion over this. Table 3-1 was changed this year to address the confusion over whether or not the clock should be run if one or both teams were not on the field.

The game officials are responsible for ensuring that there is a three-minute warm-up period posted on the clock and the clock immediately started for use by the coaches immediately after the halftime intermission expires. The head coach is responsible for his team being on the field for mandatory warm-up time at the end of the scheduled halftime intermission.

What would you tweak?

Post the three minutes and run it - that's the NFHS position.

It doesn't say post the 3 minutes at the end of the intermission, ensure both teams are present and start the clock. It says post the 3 minutes at the end of intermission and immediately start the clock. If your state wants to do something else, that's their prerogative, but let's not pretend there is ambiguity in what the NFHS wants done.
Ditto..
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Old Sat Oct 31, 2009, 10:41am
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I don't understand the confusion over this. Table 3-1 was changed this year to address the confusion over whether or not the clock should be run if one or both teams were not on the field.

The game officials are responsible for ensuring that there is a three-minute warm-up period posted on the clock and the clock immediately started for use by the coaches immediately after the halftime intermission expires. The head coach is responsible for his team being on the field for mandatory warm-up time at the end of the scheduled halftime intermission.

What would you tweak?

Post the three minutes and run it - that's the NFHS position.

It doesn't say post the 3 minutes at the end of the intermission, ensure both teams are present and start the clock. It says post the 3 minutes at the end of intermission and immediately start the clock. If your state wants to do something else, that's their prerogative, but let's not pretend there is ambiguity in what the NFHS wants done.
I didn't have my book with me when I typed my posting, but reading what you posted and reading it in my book, I don't understand the many interpretations on when the clock is supposed to start even with the FED's clear mandate. You're letting the coaches run the game when you're holding the clock till both teams arrive on the field for the warm-up period, even if you have to penalize one or both for not being on the field at the time it's supposed to start. If this keeps up, then all I can say is...watch out a few years down the road, the FED will have a point of emphasis on this.
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