Personal Foul - Unsportsmanlike

[bossman72]

Are we allowed to assess a personal foul and classify it as unsportsmanlike as well? Say a player commits a personal foul that was cheap and unsportsmanlike, but not quite an ejectable offense. Can we call it a Personal Foul - Unsportsmanlike (15 yards only) and write it down so if the player gets another unsportsmanlike, he is ejected?

[mbyron]

No: PF is a contact foul, USC is a non-contact foul.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Are we allowed to assess a personal foul and classify it as unsportsmanlike as well? Say a player commits a personal foul that was cheap and unsportsmanlike, but not quite an ejectable offense. Can we call it a Personal Foul - Unsportsmanlike (15 yards only) and write it down so if the player gets another unsportsmanlike, he is ejected?

No, you can't make a PF anything but a PF. You can however, eject a player for any single USC foul YOU consider flagrant.

[whitehat]

Originally Posted by ajmc

No, you can't make a PF anything but a PF. You can however, eject a player for any single USC foul YOU consider flagrant.

ajmc, Did you mean "eject a player for any single USC foul you consider flagrant?" I think you meant PF.

USC are alwaus non-contact fouls. While PFs are of the contact variety.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by whitehat

ajmc, Did you mean "eject a player for any single USC foul you consider flagrant?" I think you meant PF.

USC are alwaus non-contact fouls. While PFs are of the contact variety.

A player can be ejected for either a flagrant PF or flagrant USC (9-5 PENALTY).

I think ajmc was pointing out the later to make a case that there was no need to try to put a round PF peg into a square USC hole.

[bossman72]

So, if someone cheap-shots another player well behind the play 4 times in one game, that person will not be ejected if none of those hits were flagrant? ...that doesn't seem right.

[TXMike]

The 2d time he does that you might call it flagrant and eject, but by the 3d time he does it, seems pretty clear cut it is flagrant. Eject. And if you have not ejected him after the 4th time.....go ahead and eject yourself cause you are not in the game.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by TXMike

The 2d time he does that you might call it flagrant and eject, but by the 3d time he does it, seems pretty clear cut it is flagrant. Eject. And if you have not ejected him after the 4th time.....go ahead and eject yourself cause you are not in the game.

Reminds me of Mark Twain's dictum: you can make a mistake only once; after that it's a bad habit.

Punish bad habits.

Originally Posted by mbyron

Reminds me of Mark Twain's dictum: you can make a mistake only once; after that it's a bad habit.

Punish bad habits.

Hmmm...I should apply that to howler monkeys on the sidelines. Would make for peaceful moments afterwards.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bossman72

So, if someone cheap-shots another player well behind the play 4 times in one game, that person will not be ejected if none of those hits were flagrant? ...that doesn't seem right.

Look at the definition of a flagrant foul. The cumulation of fouls can result in a flagrant as well.

2-16-2

c. Flagrant — a foul so severe or extreme that it places an opponent in danger of serious injury, and/or involves violations that are extremely or persistently vulgar or abusive conduct.