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bossman72 Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:07am

Personal Foul - Unsportsmanlike
 
Are we allowed to assess a personal foul and classify it as unsportsmanlike as well? Say a player commits a personal foul that was cheap and unsportsmanlike, but not quite an ejectable offense. Can we call it a Personal Foul - Unsportsmanlike (15 yards only) and write it down so if the player gets another unsportsmanlike, he is ejected?

mbyron Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:11am

No: PF is a contact foul, USC is a non-contact foul.

ajmc Tue Oct 13, 2009 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 630610)
Are we allowed to assess a personal foul and classify it as unsportsmanlike as well? Say a player commits a personal foul that was cheap and unsportsmanlike, but not quite an ejectable offense. Can we call it a Personal Foul - Unsportsmanlike (15 yards only) and write it down so if the player gets another unsportsmanlike, he is ejected?

No, you can't make a PF anything but a PF. You can however, eject a player for any single USC foul YOU consider flagrant.

whitehat Tue Oct 13, 2009 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by ajmc (Post 630686)
No, you can't make a PF anything but a PF. You can however, eject a player for any single USC foul YOU consider flagrant.

ajmc, Did you mean "eject a player for any single USC foul you consider flagrant?" I think you meant PF.

USC are alwaus non-contact fouls. While PFs are of the contact variety.

InsideTheStripe Tue Oct 13, 2009 09:59pm

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Originally Posted by whitehat (Post 630689)
ajmc, Did you mean "eject a player for any single USC foul you consider flagrant?" I think you meant PF.

USC are alwaus non-contact fouls. While PFs are of the contact variety.

A player can be ejected for either a flagrant PF or flagrant USC (9-5 PENALTY).

I think ajmc was pointing out the later to make a case that there was no need to try to put a round PF peg into a square USC hole.

bossman72 Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:28pm

So, if someone cheap-shots another player well behind the play 4 times in one game, that person will not be ejected if none of those hits were flagrant? ...that doesn't seem right.

TXMike Wed Oct 14, 2009 06:01am

The 2d time he does that you might call it flagrant and eject, but by the 3d time he does it, seems pretty clear cut it is flagrant. Eject. And if you have not ejected him after the 4th time.....go ahead and eject yourself cause you are not in the game.

mbyron Wed Oct 14, 2009 06:22am

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Originally Posted by TXMike (Post 630788)
The 2d time he does that you might call it flagrant and eject, but by the 3d time he does it, seems pretty clear cut it is flagrant. Eject. And if you have not ejected him after the 4th time.....go ahead and eject yourself cause you are not in the game.

Reminds me of Mark Twain's dictum: you can make a mistake only once; after that it's a bad habit.

Punish bad habits.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Oct 14, 2009 07:37am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 630790)
Reminds me of Mark Twain's dictum: you can make a mistake only once; after that it's a bad habit.

Punish bad habits.

Hmmm...I should apply that to howler monkeys on the sidelines. Would make for peaceful moments afterwards. :D

Welpe Wed Oct 14, 2009 08:32am

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Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 630780)
So, if someone cheap-shots another player well behind the play 4 times in one game, that person will not be ejected if none of those hits were flagrant? ...that doesn't seem right.

Look at the definition of a flagrant foul. The cumulation of fouls can result in a flagrant as well.

2-16-2

c. Flagrant — a foul so severe or extreme that it places an opponent in danger of serious injury, and/or involves violations that are extremely or persistently vulgar or abusive conduct.


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