Some coaches just dont get it!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

I think this is a good point. b/c baseball umps put up with more screaming, but they also DO more screaming than football umps.

I don't scream on a baseball field and I won't go nose to nose with a coach either.

personally, i think that's the way it should be. I dont think a wing official is being a "doormat" by ignoring this.

Where do you personally draw the line? I really do hope you don't let a coach say whatever he wants to as long as its behind your back?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Where do you personally draw the line? I really do hope you don't let a coach say whatever he wants to as long as its behind your back?

Too many officials do. What coaches do in the NFL is not appropriate on a HS field and I know *we* don't tolerate that.

[chymechowder]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Where do you personally draw the line? I really do hope you don't let a coach say whatever he wants to as long as its behind your back?

I draw the line at verbal abuse. I guess my point is that I make a big distinction between "complaints" and "abuse."

If a coach were to tell me that I'm a "piece of ****"; or call me an a-hole, or tell an offical to F. off....I'm flagging that right away.

But if he wants to scream about a "horse**** call"; or ***** and moan that the officials dont know what they're doing; or as someone mentioned earlier, cry to his team that it's 16 versus 11 out there....everything like this falls under the category of COMPLAINTS to me.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

But if he wants to scream about a "horse**** call"; or ***** and moan that the officials dont know what they're doing; or as someone mentioned earlier, cry to his team that it's 16 versus 11 out there....everything like this falls under the category of COMPLAINTS to me.

I was with you until the bold section - you don't get to stand on my sideline scream accusations of crew bias.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

I was with you until the bold section - you don't get to stand on my sideline scream accusations of crew bias.

I agree. That one gets flagged by me.

Since this discussion has some how wandered into complaining, I can put up with a coach complaining a fair amount. Despite earlier characterizations to the contrary, I'm not some "cowboy" looking to lay down the law.

My original point was that just because something was not said to an official, doesn't mean the coach gets a free pass.

[JugglingReferee]

What do you think of these comments coming from the fans, in a game played with 11 and 12 year olds.

"You're playing favourites, ref."

"That's a BS call!"

"You guys are HS."

(FWIW, the call, a horsecollar, was correct.)

[ajmc]

Thereis a tremendous difference between spectators and coachs/sideline personnel. The best suggestion I could make about spectators, is TOTALLY IGNORE them and pay no attention to them - They Don't matter.

Coaches, on the other hand, are deserving of our respect and are entitled to the extension of professional curtesy. Emotional outbursts should be excused, where possible, but that does not mean tolerated or accepted. Coaches are REQUIRED to extend professional curtesy as well as they expect it to be offered.

Dealing with my 5 (now grown) children caused many instances of lost composure on my part, I can only imagine the frustration of dealing with 40 children. all at the same time. If somehow I can't ignore an emotional outburst, (which I usually can be very good at) I'll start with "the look", which should leave absolutely no doubt that whatever was said was inappropriate. If that fails, depending on what's been said, I might follow with a "brief" suggestion ("I hear you" or "that's enough") and turning away from further discussion. If that doesn't stop it, I'm not dealing with an emotional outburst anymore.

I'm now dealing with someone who is trying to intimidate me and reduce the standing of my position, which cannot be allowed to be successful.

If a coach (HC or assistant) has decided to embark on a continuing string of smart remarks behind me, at some point I'll pull him aside and quietly give him a choice, he can keep his comments to himself and remain on the sideline doing his job, or he can say whatever he wants, to whomever will listen, in the parking lot. From that point on, it's his decision which way things go.

We each get to draw wherever our "Line" will be, and it should be as obvious as possible so others know exactly where it is. When someone chooses to cross it, they've earned the consequences.

[JugglingReferee]

Unfortunately, one community has had a large increase in incidents of sideline fan behavior that includes expletives. Multiple people have said that this season has been bad. Coincidentally, there has been a near 100% changeover in leadership within this group too.

Refereeing 10 year olds my mind can't help wonder about other things, as there is lots of time between plays. I came to the conclusion that if my child was playing on a team like this one, he would be changing to a different team immediately. The extra driving to practices and games are worth it.