Question for you

[rockyroad]

Situation: Down by 5, home team has 4th and 8. RFP is blown at 34 seconds left on clock (yes, I was watching the clock carefully). Home breaks huddle and QB tells White HAt "I am taking a knee". White Hat and U then proceed to tell our defenders "He's taking a knee. Do not hit him." QB snaps ball at 10 seconds on clock, fakes taking a knee, and runs back down the field until the clock hits O and then falls down. Officials do nothing and allow the game to end.

Is this correct? Once they told our defenders they could not hit the QB, shouldn't they have killed the play as soon as he faked taking the knee? Is this a possible USC also?

[Reffing Rev.]

So coach, your kids just watched the QB run around for 10 seconds because the R said don't hit him? Poorly coached kids. IMO.

Is it correct officiating procedure? No, but that does not excuse a coaching error. This is a case where preventative officiating went too far.

As a R when the offense says they are taking a knee I move in a little tighter and keep my whistle at the ready so I can quickly alert the defenders that the QB has downed the ball. But I don't say anything to anyone about it, I signal to my U and my wings (a very subtle tapping of my hand to my knee) but that is it. But I always tell the crew in pregame be ready for anything, because a fumbled snap or a weasel play might just catch you off guard.

The other day had a player get to the punter before he punted the ball. he was well coached to 'not hit the punter' so he stood there and watched the punter kick it. Oops.

no matter who says what, players have to know when the ball is live and when it is dead.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

So coach, your kids just watched the QB run around for 10 seconds because the R said don't hit him? Poorly coached kids. IMO.

Is it correct officiating procedure? No, but that does not excuse a coaching error. This is a case where preventative officiating went too far.

As a R when the offense says they are taking a knee I move in a little tighter and keep my whistle at the ready so I can quickly alert the defenders that the QB has downed the ball. But I don't say anything to anyone about it, I signal to my U and my wings (a very subtle tapping of my hand to my knee) but that is it. But I always tell the crew in pregame be ready for anything, because a fumbled snap or a weasel play might just catch you off guard.

The other day had a player get to the punter before he punted the ball. he was well coached to 'not hit the punter' so he stood there and watched the punter kick it. Oops.

no matter who says what, players have to know when the ball is live and when it is dead.

Knock it off, Rev. rockyroad is an excellent basketball official and is just asking a question about the situation. His kids were placed at a disadvantage by the officials who failed to do their job properly. Don't try to blame it on coaching. That's lame.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Knock it off, Rev. rockyroad is an excellent basketball official and is just asking a question about the situation. His kids were placed at a disadvantage by the officials who failed to do their job properly. Don't try to blame it on coaching. That's lame.

First of all Rockyroad might be a good official, but he came asking the question as a coach. His basketball officiating background has nothing to do with this question and I respect Rocky a lot as an official. Rocky should know that just as much as anyone he can be criticized if their positions they come here as an official or a coach.

Secondly, what Rev suggested is a very common practice. You might not like it, but we tell let it be known when there is a team taking their knee. We simply tell everyone to protect themselves we just use it as preventative officiating because one team is clearly trying to end the game.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Secondly, what Rev suggested is a very common practice. You might not like it, but we tell let it be known when there is a team taking their knee. We simply tell everyone to protect themselves we just use it as preventative officiating because one team is clearly trying to end the game.

Peace

But, Jeff, that's not what they did. They didn't tell the players to protect themselves...they specifically said - Do not hit him...that's different, and it caused the defenders to hesitate. So if the officials give bad information, is there no way to rectify the situation when the kid then fakes the knee and takes off running???

That's my question...and in no way am I saying "they cost us the game" or any crap like that. You know that I would never do that - we score more than two TD's out of 7 possessions and we win the stupid game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

But, Jeff, that's not what they did. They didn't tell the players to protect themselves...they specifically said - Do not hit him...that's different, and it caused the defenders to hesitate. So if the officials give bad information, is there no way to rectify the situation when the kid then fakes the knee and takes off running???

That's my question...and in no way am I saying "they cost us the game" or any crap like that. You know that I would never do that - we score more than two TD's out of 7 possessions and we win the stupid game.

Then you need to teach them what to do during that part of the game (right or wrong). If the ball is live, they can hit people with the ball. And if the runner is running around, then he is fair game. Now if they would have penalized your players for hitting or tackling the runner, then you have a real beef. That being said I would have killed the play when the runner faked the kneeling. I do not see my crew allowing this to happen the way it did in your game. I do not understand why all of a sudden players are listening to officials in this situation when it comes to other things they think they know everything when you try to say something to them in other parts of the game?

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all Rockyroad might be a good official, but he came asking the question as a coach. His basketball officiating background has nothing to do with this question and I respect Rocky a lot as an official. Rocky should know that just as much as anyone he can be criticized if their positions they come here as an official or a coach.

Secondly, what Rev suggested is a very common practice. You might not like it, but we tell let it be known when there is a team taking their knee. We simply tell everyone to protect themselves we just use it as preventative officiating because one team is clearly trying to end the game.

Peace

First of all Rut, I couldn't givea$hit where it is. I can speak up for a friend when someone takes a cheap shot if I choose.

Second, if that's what you do in your games, then you're making the same stupid mistake the officials in rockyroad's game made.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

First of all Rut, I couldn't givea$hit where it is. I can speak up for a friend when someone takes a cheap shot if I choose.

Second, if that's what you do in your games, then you're making the same stupid mistake the officials in rockyroad's game made.

Well I have never had a single problem ever saying anything to players at this stage of a game. Maybe the reason I have never had a problem because all coaches, players and officials are not shocked by what we tell them (in other words it is coaches and taught). Now maybe where you live this is uncommon and it would be a problem. Not where I live and I have yet to ever see such a problem, sorry, I have not. And I am sure that is where Rev is coming from. Not sure why you are so fired up about it anyway. It is just a game.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

So coach, your kids just watched the QB run around for 10 seconds because the R said don't hit him? Poorly coached kids. IMO.

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Our kids are coached well and play their butts off every week. Did they just stand there - no. Did they hesitate a second which gave the QB a chance to get away from them - yes. And they hesitated because - at every level of every sport - players are told to listen to the officials. When those two said "Do not hit him" they did what they were told to do - until they realized what was going on.

I asked a question that I did not know the answer to...common sense says that if the officials say something like that to the players, they should not then allow the QB to run around like that, but should have - at the least - killed the play as soon as he did not take the knee.

But thanks for taking that little shot at me, Mr. ReffingRev...it does your screen name proud.

[parepat]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

So coach, your kids just watched the QB run around for 10 seconds because the R said don't hit him? Poorly coached kids. IMO.

Is it correct officiating procedure? No, but that does not excuse a coaching error. This is a case where preventative officiating went too far.

As a R when the offense says they are taking a knee I move in a little tighter and keep my whistle at the ready so I can quickly alert the defenders that the QB has downed the ball. But I don't say anything to anyone about it, I signal to my U and my wings (a very subtle tapping of my hand to my knee) but that is it. But I always tell the crew in pregame be ready for anything, because a fumbled snap or a weasel play might just catch you off guard.

The other day had a player get to the punter before he punted the ball. he was well coached to 'not hit the punter' so he stood there and watched the punter kick it. Oops.

no matter who says what, players have to know when the ball is live and when it is dead.

Sounds like they were coached to follow the instructions of the officials. If only more teams were so well coached. Unfortunately the officials gave som bad instructions. They then didn't have the intestinal fortitude to call the play dead.

[BktBallRef]

They simply shouldn't have told the defense he was taking a knee. They could have said something like, "If he takes a knee, don't hit him. Everyone protect yourselves. No cheap shots."

I probably would have killed it when he faked the knee, but no, there's nothing that says they "should" do this.

[kdf5]

I never tell the defense anything. If they clobber someone they might draw a flag but I never say a word anymore. If he starts walking backwards before kneeling down I blow it as his forward progress is stopped but that's about it.