California Guys, Please Tell Me This Ain't So!

[BktBallRef]

One side of the story. I wonder what the other side is.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

One side of the story. I wonder what the other side is.

Despite unending instances of how totally misleading and inaccurate news reports involving officials can be, some are so quick to assume the absolute worst and blindly buy into just about any story about brother officials.

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Despite unending instances of how totally misleading and inaccurate news reports involving officials can be, some are so quick to assume the absolute worst and blindly buy into just about any story about brother officials.

On the other hand, we ARE talking about California.

[Jmuvol]

None of these reports gives a clear picture of what happened. In Georgia, schools in the same classification play overtime, period. Games with teams of different classes can play overtime if the coaches inform the referee PRIOR to the game. Most in our area don't think about it so if the game was tied, we would not play overtime even if both coaches agreed on it at the end of regulation.

Hopefully these guys didn't do this on there own.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

One side of the story. I wonder what the other side is.

Since we as officials are generally strongly discouraged, if not outright prohibited, from speaking to the media about any games we've worked, I rather doubt we'll ever hear the other side. Although maybe we'll hear something from the CA state athletic board.

Personally, however, I can't imagine ever walking off the field in that situation. The whole reason we're there as officials is to give the kids a chance to compete in a game, and that game should be taken to its conclusion if at all possible.

[Ref inSoCA]

You have to remember that CA has 10 Sections and each Section has its own rules.

In my Section, we don't play OT until the playoffs and the coaches know it.

Since this is the coaches' story in the media, I don't believe it. I would bet the Southern Section does not use OT and perhaps the R was being a smarta$$.

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

You have to remember that CA has 10 Sections and each Section has its own rules.

In my Section, we don't play OT until the playoffs and the coaches know it.

Since this is the coaches' story in the media, I don't believe it. I would bet the Southern Section does not use OT and perhaps the R was being a smarta$$.

Which is why I asked you californians to clear this up. Story did not sound right to me and now it obviously appears to be an incorrect report.

[Rich]

Officials give everybody a tie -- latimes.com

Sounds to me like the officials acted on their own. Sad.

We play OT in all non-freshman games. I actually don't mind OT as it means we've had a good game.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Officials give everybody a tie -- latimes.com

Sounds to me like the officials acted on their own. Sad.

We play OT in all non-freshman games. I actually don't mind OT as it means we've had a good game.

Sounds like from this article, the officials decided on their own that there would be no OT, contrary to the coaches' agreement to play OT, and the sectional policy that allows for OT upon coaches' agreement.

I think this problem would be solved if OT was mandated at the state level for all varsity play, like it is in Nebraska and Iowa.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Sounds like from this article, the officials decided on their own that there would be no OT, contrary to the coaches' agreement to play OT, and the sectional policy that allows for OT upon coaches' agreement.

The article says "But Southern Section spokesman Thom Simmons said officials must allow overtime if the schools involved agree to play extra periods. Both White and Arcadia counterpart Jon Dimalante said they wanted to keep playing."

In many areas where overtime is not required the teams must agree to play OT before the game starts, if not then there will be no OT. Both teams wanting to continue playing at the end of the 4th period would not matter if OT was not agreed on before the game.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

You have to remember that CA has 10 Sections and each Section has its own rules.

In my Section, we don't play OT until the playoffs and the coaches know it.

Since this is the coaches' story in the media, I don't believe it. I would bet the Southern Section does not use OT and perhaps the R was being a smarta$$.

I work in the Central Section, Tulare area and we have overtime even for Frosh games. It is a game fee, not a regulation time game fee.

[mbyron]

What a steaming pile. Those guys might have some trouble getting games next year.

[glyphrunner]

In North Dakota, we're only supposed to run OT in varsity competitions.

As for getting paid for overtime, w_sohl is exactly right, "It is a game fee, not a regulation time game fee." You get paid to officiate a full game, not only a portion of the game. Run the entire course of the game if you're willing to suit up in stripes.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by glyphrunner

As for getting paid for overtime, w_sohl is exactly right, "It is a game fee, not a regulation time game fee."

I get this complaint in baseball sometimes when one team loses in 4 1/2 innings due to the mercy rule: "Blue, we paid you for 7 [innings]! C'mon, let the kids keep playing!"

Response: "No, you paid me for a game, which is now over. Would you expect me to leave before extra innings because I'd been paid for (only) 7?"

There's also a liability issue. If you go into OT when the state dictates not to (as our subvarsity games are generally not to) and somebody gets hurt, then you're on the hook for that.