Free kick after a fair catch?

[whitehat]

Also, if there is an accepted penalty, (or other situation warranting a replay of the down) on the play after the FC is awarded, then the free kick may then be used.
Example:
R makes FC on the 50. On A's next play there is roughing the passer against B. Lets say the pass was completed at B's 40. Additional 15 yards tacked on for the roughing and now A has the ball at B's 25. Becasue the penalty was accepted on the play followng a FC or awarded FC, A once again has the option of the free kick for 3 points.(from a tee, with the opponent lined up 10 yards back)....Try explaining that to B's coach!

I think they should eliminate the follow up opportunity. Once the ball is snapped after the FC I think that should end the opportunity for free kick..in my humble opinion

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by whitehat

Also, if there is an accepted penalty, (or other situation warranting a replay of the down) on the play after the FC is awarded, then the free kick may then be used.

Citation? (I believe you -- I just want to look it up.)

[NorCalRef12]

Originally Posted by mbyron

citation? (i believe you -- i just want to look it up.)

6-5-4

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by whitehat

I think they should eliminate the follow up opportunity. Once the ball is snapped after the FC I think that should end the opportunity for free kick..in my humble opinion

That rule, although rare in application, has been on the books since leather helmets, changing a rule solely because some coaches don't understand it, is a journey that would produce an entirely new game.

[bossman72]

This is probably the best free kick field goal simply because of the announcers. Classic!

YouTube - Confusion in the Pressbox

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by bossman72

This is probably the best free kick field goal simply because of the announcers. Classic!

YouTube - Confusion in the Pressbox

HAHAHA, "are we playing hockey? Or soccer or something like that? What in the world!?!"

Good stuff.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

That rule, although rare in application, has been on the books since leather helmets,

Actually since waaay before any helmets.

changing a rule solely because some coaches don't understand it, is a journey that would produce an entirely new game.

NCAA managed to abolish it in 1950 -- but only by abolishing the fair catch entirely, as Canadian football recently had. They restored the fair catch in 1951, minus the kick option.

The reason a tee is allowed for this type of kick in Fed is that Fed had undertaken a process of harmonizing the rules for all forms of free kicks. They diverged a little since then, however, but not on this detail. They also diverged in allowing a punt to be used on the free kicks after a safety and a fair catch; at the apogee of the harmoniz'n process, only a place or drop kick could be used for any free kick, and the only difference between them was that a kickoff was not allowed to score a field goal. (Yes, a free kick from a safety could score a goal.)

Speaking of harmoniz'n, it was only a few years ago that the NFL classified the kickoff as a form of free kick; previously they'd followed the old rule of treating a kickoff separately, even though the rules were mostly redundant. It was the NCAA in the 1930s that consolidated these as part of a process of reducing the number of "rules" in the book. NFL already had its own rules, Fed didn't yet.

Until Canadian football abolished its fair catch, the player who made the free kick had to be the same one who'd made the fair catch, as in rugby. I don't remember whether the free kick was mandatory or they could choose to scrimmage.

[Canned Heat]

"They just ruined they're element of supplies, I mean surprise."

If Caddyshack would've had a football cousin of a movie...that was it.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Actually since waaay before any helmets.

He's right. Back when the English were inventing football, any player could call for a "fair catch" and immediately take a free kick from the spot of the catch.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by whitehat

Try explaining that to B's coach!

I think they should eliminate the follow up opportunity. Once the ball is snapped after the FC I think that should end the opportunity for free kick..in my humble opinion

Yes, this to me makes absolutely NO sense. Anyone disagree?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Yes, this to me makes absolutely NO sense. Anyone disagree?

I disagree. Of course it makes sense. If there's an accepted penalty against the defense on the first play after the FC, then the play never occurred. So the offense once again has the option.

[Theisey]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I disagree. Of course it makes sense. If there's an accepted penalty against the defense on the first play after the FC, then the play never occurred. So the offense once again has the option.

Of course a play might have occurred.. unless we're talking a dead-ball encroachment.

It really doesn't make sense. Team-B could commit DPI, have a 15 yard-mark off against them, along with the another (for statictical purposes) a first down for Team-A and eight, nine or more seconds ticked off the clock. I'm not putting time back on the clock.. so a play did occur.

Nah... this really doesn't make sense. I'm for a change that eliminates the option to free kick on anything but a dead-ball foul against either teamm

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Theisey

Nah... this really doesn't make sense. I'm for a change that eliminates the option to free kick on anything but a dead-ball foul against either teamm

So if A choses to kick and there is a foul and the down is replayed then they must snap instead of kick?

[Theisey]

Originally Posted by LDUB

So if A choses to kick and there is a foul and the down is replayed then they must snap instead of kick?

I don't think I said that... I believe I said they could rekick if there was some sort of dead-ball foul, not if there was a live ball foul during the initial free kick.

But I implied that if you choose to snap... and there is a foul of any kind thereafter.. the free-kick option is null and void. That makes sense to me.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Theisey

But I implied that if you choose to snap... and there is a foul of any kind thereafter.. the free-kick option is null and void. That makes sense to me.

So if they kick and the down is repeated then they cannot chose to snap either?