Numbering Restrictions - Backfield

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Would the penalty be illegal touching? 5 yards?

Yes, enforced under the ABO.

[john_faz]

I called illegal touching but I wasn't too sure I was right. The defense declined the penalty and we just moved on. I am glad I got it right in retrospect.

Could it also be ineligible downfield on a pass if he didn't touch the ball?

[KWH]

Ineligible Downfield - See Rules Book 7-5-12 & CASEBOOK 7.5.12 SITUATION A

Illegal Touching - See Rules Book 7-5-13 & CASEBOOK 7.5.13 SITUATION A

[Niner]

Originally Posted by john_faz

I called illegal touching but I wasn't too sure I was right. The defense declined the penalty and we just moved on. I am glad I got it right in retrospect.

Could it also be ineligible downfield on a pass if he didn't touch the ball?

Why would the defense decline the penalty? It is also loss of down.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Niner

Why would the defense decline the penalty? It is also loss of down.

This is my question.

However, two weeks ago, I watched an offensive pass interference penalty declined. Before the R could even get out the options to the defense the coach was yelling for them to decline the penalty.

[SouthGARef]

Perhaps the illegal touching caused the ball to bounce into the air and B intercepted?

In that scenario, I could very easily see Ill. Touching declined.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by SouthGARef

Perhaps the illegal touching caused the ball to bounce into the air and B intercepted?

In that scenario, I could very easily see Ill. Touching declined.

True, that could be the case.

[KWH]

Originally Posted by SouthGARef

Perhaps the illegal touching caused the ball to bounce into the air and B intercepted?

In that scenario, I could very easily see Ill. Touching declined.

No kidding????
However, since the poster in the OP supplied the additional information that "the defense declined the penalty and we moved on" it is highly unlikely your scenario (a change of possession play) occured!!!

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by tjones1

However, two weeks ago, I watched an offensive pass interference penalty declined. Before the R could even get out the options to the defense the coach was yelling for them to decline the penalty.

Unless B ended up with the ball or something else out of the ordinary why is the R even giving options to B? Reminds me of after a long touchdown run with holding by A and the R calls the B captain over to him and says "you can have the result of the play which is a touchdown or we can go back 10 yards from the spot of the foul and it will be third down." Everyone knows what B wants, stop wasting everyone's time.

[KWH]

Originally Posted by john_faz

I called illegal touching but I wasn't too sure I was right. The defense declined the penalty and we just moved on. I am glad I got it right in retrospect.

Could it also be ineligible downfield on a pass if he didn't touch the ball?

john_faz;

With all due respect...

In retrospect, if the ineligible did indeed "touch" the pass, and, you then allowed the defense to decline the penalty, (which it sounds like you may not of informed them it includes a loss of down), it is highly likely, you got it wrong!

[john_faz]

You are right. I did not inform them of the loss of down provision. My bad.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by john_faz

You are right. I did not inform them of the loss of down provision. My bad.

As you know, B can decline the yardage penalty. Can they decline the loss of down penalty?

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by mbyron

As you know, B can decline the yardage penalty. Can they decline the loss of down penalty?

I suppose they can technically, but in practice it doesn't matter if they can decline the loss of down penalty or not.
Example:
3rd and 6 from B's 30 yard line.
Ineligible A53 touches a forward pass at B's 27 yard line and the ball is:
a) caught by A53 and he is downed at the 25 yard line.
b) incomplete
c) caught by A53 and he is downed at B's 20 yard line

If the penalty is accepted, it will be a), c) 4th down from B's 32 yard line, b) 4th down from B's 35 yard line.
If the penalty is declined, it will be a) 4th down from B's 25 yard line, or b) 4th down from B's 30 yard line, c) first and 10 for A at B's 20 yard line.

In practice, B would never decline the penalty in c).